Facing Impending Doom?

[Pantsmansoy]

I'm trying to finish my first campaign of MIITW and I'm playing as England on medium (I know, that is kind of embarassing).

I own the entireity of the British Isles, I have knocked out France and Denmark and own all of their territories except for Toullouse. I was dominating the landscape, with only Milan against me, and Portugal and Venice as my allies, and an English pope in power. I capped Dijon from Milan, own Hamburg and the northern Danish city (Alhuse?), and am very consolidated in the NW to northern part of Europe. My army is very large and well trained, and I never lose combats really.

Suddenly, I was exocommunicated. Next, The Holy Roman Empire, Hungary and the Papal States all declared war on me. Next, a crusade was called against Toullouse, and Spain, Venice and Portugal all joined in. They captured the city, but it is the only city I have lost so far.

The problem I'm having is I cannot fight 8 factions at once, even if the best of them is only half my power. And none of them will have a cease-fire with me, even the Papal States (possibly the weakest of the factions). I tried asking for a ceasefire, gifting Marseilles and giving 10,000 florins to the Papal States (the offer was rated as generous) but they still refuse.

I own 19 regions and need 45 plus Jerusalem to win. I'm not even sure if I can take and hold any more regions in this current position. They can't take any of mine, but I can't expand.

Also, even though I own 3 Cardinals, Hungary owns 7, and the pope is now Hungarian, and won't reconcile me.

I also want to be able to unlock some of the other nations to play as (Denmark in particular) but am worried that if I either don't finish this campaign or lose it, the factions I've defeated won't become unlocked. Can I just start another campaign and have the factions unlocked?

Any suggestions? help? answers? questions? Anything would be good.

[Scorpion111593]

Well I can tell you how to unlock all factions except the Aztecs and the one that appear later in the game. Just give me a moment and I will repost.

Ok, first go to my computer,go to your hardrive, then program files, then Sega, M2TW, data, world, maps, campaign, imperial campaign, descr_strat. Now listen very carefully, make yours so that the top looks like this, copy and pasting is the easiest.

; Custom campaign script generated by Romans Campaign Map Editor

campaign imperial_campaign
playable
england
france
hre
spain
venice
sicily
milan
scotland
byzantium
russia
moors
turks
egypt
denmark
portugal
poland
hungary
end
unlockable
end
nonplayable
papal_states
aztecs
mongols
timurids
slave
end

[Scorpion111593]

oh yeah and make sure that only the faction names are out 8 spaces.

[Pantsmansoy]

Thanks for that, that's great info.

Anyone else have comments about my situation?

[johnny5000]

Thanks for that, that's great info.

Anyone else have comments about my situation?

The best thing I can suggest is to ride out the excommunication, wait for the Pope to die, and hold on to as much territory as you can.

[Scorpion111593]

You can so take them on, I suggest you keep trying to get reconciled it will work eventually, try giving the Pope 100 florins until you are back up to perfect then ask them to reconcile you then give them more money. Or if you want to dook it out I suggest you wait for them at briges and wait for them to try and attck you, put your calvalry on each flank and infantry right in front of the bridge and then once they attck your infantry smash them on both sides at the same time with your calvalry always works

[UhOhIt'sAnArrow]

Assasinate the Pope, and send diplomats everywhere. Often they were just listening to the call of the Pope and will ally back with you. Go up to the Pope and get him to Ceasefire then offer helpa gainst rebels and ask to be reconciled.

[DukeOfFinland]

I got the almost the same problem, how to get ceasifire?
Papal states attacked me too, not fair. After ceasifire, its all easy

[Kahn]

Assasinate the Pope, and send diplomats everywhere.

You'd be suprised how well killing the pope can turn things to your favor. I keep 4 really good spies in his backyard at all times. The moment he even considers excommunicating me, I take him out. This also works really well for those times where you're attacking your fellow catholics and the pope tells you to stop. He tends to look the other way when he's dead.*

*This is where a lot of people put a stupid smiley face. Typically the winking/thumbs-up one.

[Recluse]

You can't get reconciled until you get that ceasefire with the Papal States, no matter how many Popes die.

If you have good cash, try sending your Diplomat to the Pope and having him repeatedly gift the Pope 500 florins (in the same diplomatic session) until your relations reach "Reasonable" (it'll most likely take a lot of cash). Then wait until the next turn and try to get your ceasefire.

I've had this work before, but you have to wait a turn before you can get a ceasefire. Of course, don't attack anyone, and if the Pope attacks you, try to retreat while you're using this tactic.

Good Luck.

[Scorpion111593]

I did the same thing but in increments of 100

[Recluse]

I did the same thing but in increments of 100

I did too before I patched to 1.2, then I found it took more money to get the same results.

[Scorpion111593]

not really, it must depend on the faction

[Recluse]

I guess so, but I've seen this difference playing the same faction before 1.2 and after 1.2.

I'm a Pope whore who parks his diplomat outside Rome and uses him nearly every turn to maintain 9/10 or 10/10 crosses no matter what faction I'm playing, so I actually have done this a bit.

And what I used to get for 100 florins now takes 400-500, in fact the first time I tried to buy the Pope's favor after patching to 1.2 (after trade rights, map gift, and alliance), I offered the first of many 100 florin gifts and the Pope got annoyed and my relations went down. Next 100 florin gift he said something like "Perhaps something a bit more balanced this time?"

I then tried 200 florin gifts, 300 florin gifts, 400 florin gifts, etc., and found I got the most consistent results around 400-500 florins per gift.

YMMV.

[Scorpion111593]

Everbody check out the Story of a great kingdom

Oh and back on subject I wonder why it takes me less money?

[Pantsmansoy]

Thanks for the feedback. I was able to gift the Papal States into liking me, asking for a caesefire (I had to give them Marseilles, 14000 florins, 1000 florins a turn for 5 turns and my map information, ouch) and then got reconcilciated for another 5000 florins. Hungary, Milan and the HRE are still attacking me, and I hope that their favour drops accordingly.

I tried at first giving gifts of 500 florins, and generally it took about 6-8 tries, or 3000-4000 florins to increase my reputation. When I began giving gifts of 100 florins, I noticed it took more gifts, perhaps 10-12, but at a drastically lower overall cost.

So it takes longer, but costs less to give 100 florins.

Seeing as I'm back in the Pope's good books (I know control 7 cardinals as well), I might fight back against one of the factions a bit - they don't stand a chance against me!

Cheers!

[Scorpion111593]

Told you that 100 works better

[Recluse]

Glad my suggestion helped. Good luck, and good campaigning.

I guess I'll give 100 fpt another try.

[Yazon]

Easiest way to get reconciled is to make your king die. Just send him on suicide mission.

Excommunication is between the pope and your king, so when your king dies you get reconciled automatically.

Cheapest and fastest solution.

[Recluse]

Easiest way to get reconciled is to make your king die. Just send him on suicide mission.

Excommunication is between the pope and your king, so when your king dies you get reconciled automatically.

Cheapest and fastest solution.

That won't work if you're at war with the Papal States. You need to get a ceasefire first... then you can suicide your Faction Leader to get reconciled if you want.