New Province to Replace Famagusta?

**tornnight** · June 15, 2007, 10:47 AM

Famagusta really wasn't that significant. I'd rather move Nicosia to it's rightful place in the North of Island of Cyprus and create another province elsewhere.

Any suggestions?

My first inclination is to add one between Toulouse/Bern/Marsielle.
Second would be somewhere between Hungary and Poland
Last, to fill in some of the huge provinces between Russia and Kiev.

Important cities at the time should be a consideration.

**Pelican Man** · June 15, 2007, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by tornnight

Famagusta really wasn't that significant. I'd rather move Nicosia to it's rightful place in the North of Island of Cyprus and create another province elsewhere.

Any suggestions?

My first inclination is to add one between Toulouse/Bern/Marsielle.
Second would be somewhere between Hungary and Poland
Last, to fill in some of the huge provinces between Russia and Kiev.

Important cities at the time should be a consideration.

Hey Tornnight,

well, my opinion is that you should add something between Poland and hungary, cause the cities are REALLY spread out. I was thinking along the lines of a fort, maybe
Oppeln http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppeln

Poland really, really needs a fort/castle there cause there are a lot of cities, and that was a fort back then.

IF not that, then somewhere in the top right corner of the map, cause the Kwarzemian stay away from going north, and the novgorod concentrate south, and the Kiev concentrate north. if they filled up that land first, then attacked each other, that would be great.

But I think you should add Oppeln. Thats my opinion.

THE P-MAN

**tornnight** · June 15, 2007, 11:07 AM

Thats a good one. Thanks.

Anymore?

**Pelican Man** · June 15, 2007, 11:09 AM

I'll look into it, just after lunch, I have to get some more work done.... lol = )

**steelbound** · June 15, 2007, 12:37 PM

I remember posting about adding a territory back several months ago, here's what I thought:

"I was thinking the city of Tvankska would work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad
It could take territory from the provinces that contain Riga, Vilnius, and Thorn . It would break the long march between Thorn and Riga nicely.

Otherwise the island that contains Visby
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visby
could be added. "

Your second and third suggestions also sound good to me.

**Creslin** · June 15, 2007, 02:37 PM

I would definitely add something up north, Iberia is already pretty well populated with provinces though it might be better with a few less castles.

**Pelican Man** · June 15, 2007, 03:31 PM

Cieszyn

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cieszyn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...B%C5%A1%C3%ADn

You could use that as a fort. Small, but a good place for a fort.

I would go with Oppeln

. Good spot. But its your choice.

THE P-MAN

**Xeno_cws** · June 15, 2007, 05:11 PM

I wouldn't do Cieszyn, better to wait for the expansion and put a permanent fort there instead.

Visby isn't a good idea either, since in my experience the ai doesn't handle small islands very well.

Oppeln is a fine choice but I think Kaliningrad is a better choice.

It's hard to say, the number of provinces is good in the west but the east really needs some more (darn hardcoding >> ). Maybe if we complain enough they'll remove it

**ciciocle** · June 15, 2007, 07:16 PM

i would go for a province between marseille, dijon and bern. or for another one between hamburg and brugges. it would be bremen, if i'm not mistaken.

**acegogo** · June 15, 2007, 07:31 PM

is there really no way of adding more than the actual limit???

On a second thought to many provices and we will get siege-galore!!!!!

Ok, sorry is late and I-m slightly drink.

Enjoy your weekend People!!!!

**tornnight** · June 15, 2007, 08:53 PM

Yep. The limit is the limit. No way around it.

You too Ace!

**tornnight** · June 15, 2007, 09:05 PM

Hmm Tvankska (Kaliningrad) is looking like my favorite right now.

**Pelican Man** · June 16, 2007, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by tornnight

Hmm Tvankska (Kaliningrad) is looking like my favorite right now.

K, I stopped myself from arguing the tvankska place because I realized that could be good for the Lithuanians in the future.... I was actually going to argue it hardcore just to get Oppeln, but then I actually stopped myself. Then I thought about it, then I realized it could be good. So I just wanted to say that I think I just became a wiser individual in a split second. lol

THE P-MAN

**Irishmafia2020** · June 15, 2007, 09:28 PM

First, I like Famegusta because it strengthens the the Byzantines artificially, however I would argue that an extra province could be added to the Baltic region so that HRE, Russia, Poland and Denmark have something extra to play with. Russia is supposed to be vast, so I would argue against putting in an extra province there. If you are thinking of adding factions in Spain or Italy (aragon, Pisa) then perhaps you should add a province to compensate for future expansion... those are my thoughts!

**Hanny** · June 16, 2007, 05:16 AM

I like a 2 province Cyprus, it was vastly important in history and i see no valid historical reason to remove it, (Ricard the 1 went out of his way to secure it as aprelude to entering the mainland for instance) it also acts as a magnate for fatamid and turkic attacks, which draw them then onto the Byz half of the island, it would be a great mistake to combine the 2 provinces into one, all to put another Russina region in?, a very poor game design choice in my opinion.

**tornnight** · June 16, 2007, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Hanny

I like a 2 province Cyprus, it was vastly important in history and i see no valid historical reason to remove it, (Ricard the 1 went out of his way to secure it as aprelude to entering the mainland for instance) it also acts as a magnate for fatamid and turkic attacks, which draw them then onto the Byz half of the island, it would be a great mistake to combine the 2 provinces into one, all to put another Russina region in?, a very poor game design choice in my opinion.

I agree that Cyprus was important. But I don't think the second settlement really adds anything. The Egyptians and Turks will still invade it and it remains a strong strategic holding.

Byzantium will be more accurately strengthened by giving it Trebizond and Dyyrachium. Too bad they will loose Dyyrachium in the first few turns.

**hellispont** · June 16, 2007, 04:25 PM

Torn - "Byzantium will be more accurately strengthened by giving it Trebizond and Dyyrachium. Too bad they will loose Dyyrachium in the first few turns."

I suppose that is a hint of some sorts of this new secret ya have? either that or you are dropping a stack of troops outside of it hmm.

**Hanny** · June 18, 2007, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by tornnight

I agree that Cyprus was important. But I don't think the second settlement really adds anything. The Egyptians and Turks will still invade it and it remains a strong strategic holding.

Byzantium will be more accurately strengthened by giving it Trebizond and Dyyrachium. Too bad they will loose Dyyrachium in the first few turns.

Ok, the neutral part of cyprus acts as a magnet for the factions, it pulls in Fatamid/Syrian forces to attack the neutral portion, now if its gone and the province is a single Byz one, the strategic pathing for that early game involvement is lacking, ( it will get around to it after sucking up neutrals i guess so it just takes longer for it to occur is my best guess at present)now if you want to free up a neutral, there are a number of such around the arals region that could be re jigged as they are all neutralks surrounded by neutrals so loseong one is not going to interfere with faction devolpment, which is one of my principle concerns.

Btw, since i was tinkering with getting aslower devolpment for AI factions, giving them a slow build of basic trops of the bat by allowing the Town square to produce city militia severaly cuts back on syria for instance power house devolpment, something you might want to consider for stock TLR.