For King or Country: English Civil War 1642-1651

**Clever Name** · June 14, 2007, 05:05 AM

One of my original ideas was to have an English Civil War mod. I think the English civil war has enough material for an entire game. Firstly factions:

The Parliamentarians
The Royalists
The Scottish Covenanters
The Irish Confederates
more? suggestions

One of my main ideas was to have the English Civil War split into three different campaigns: The first Civil War of 1642-1646, the Second Civil War of 1647-1649 and (what a surprise!); the Third Civil War of 1649-1651.

My intention in that is to enable the player "to pick up and go" where he(or she...) can choose at which point they want to start playing in the war. they will enter the war, depending on what campaign they choose, in the situation at that time, everything will be as it would be at that specific time. It also gives the player the ability to play the war from the beginning right through to the end without regard to historical accuracy. So maybe a forth campaign that includes the entire war as opposed to it being split into sections.

To further clairify what I mean:

Imagine a player has started the third campaign, he will find himself in a situation where King Charles I has been executed and now Charles II at the head of the Scottish Covenanters is attacking from the North into the English Republic, Royalist Uprisings sprout up all over England and Wales while the Irish Confederates fight bitterly against Parliamentarian troops garrisoned there. Yup its a difficult but interesting position for anyone who wants to play as a Parliamentarian.

Imagine another player started the game at the beginning and played all the way up to the point where theoritically the third English War begins. But in his game he hasnt been able to defeat the Royalists and Charles I is still alive and kicking while Scotland has been completely taken over by Parliamentarians and Ireland joined in alliance with the English Parliament due to the players ability in diplomacy. Theres so many possibilties with this style of campaign. A bit like Pike and Musket for M:TW

there should be names for each campaign as opposed to just the first, second ect. Maybe the first can be called Taking up Sides, Taking up Arms or something along those lines. Maybe someone can help me think up of some other sleek and sexy names .

English Civil War= the best idea for a mod in a long, long time

what do you guys think, i need help does anyone want to help with this mod.

suggestions?

**Antagonist** · June 14, 2007, 07:23 AM

I think it's a very good idea, I've wanted to see this conflict in TW for a very long time. Here's my suggestion
post about it on the Org.

Some brief suggestions:
- For a campaign map, use the Britannia campaign in Kingdoms, though you'd have to redo the provinces and settlements.
- Time period, since turns will be quite limited however you manage it I would suggest an enddate of 1653, England was over by 1651 but only with the defeat of the last Confederate holdouts does Parliament attain absolute supremacy and "pacify" the British Isles. In order to function meaningfully with only a decade, a scripted 12 turns per year is very important IMO, with movement and production rates altered to suit this and the map scale.
- Religion should be important, particularly Anglican, Nonconformist/Protestant/whatever and Catholic, all on rather poor terms with each other. Royalists are Anglican, Parliament and the Covenanters are Nonconformist, Confederates are Catholic.
- Factions, the only other notable faction to represent would be the Scottish Royalists, which are basically disaffected former Covenanters, a handful of English Royalists, a Confederate military contingent and a lot of Highland clans. They definately should be in for multiplayer/custom/historical battles etc. (Scottish Civil War has plenty of good battles) but would be more problematic to depict on the campmap. They were more purely military than the other 4, not really a government, they were an alliance of a lot of interested parties rather than a cohesive ideology, and some questions like religion (they were a fairly even mix of Anglicans and Catholics) etc. The Scottish colonists of Ulster could also be their own faction, but their identity was so enmeshed with the Covenanters that it would probably be better to have them as such.

Antagonist

EDIT: I misread the title at first, now I see it.

**Icefrisco** · June 14, 2007, 08:35 AM

Seems like a very good idea. Cegorach is making one for his mtwvi mod Pike and Musket: Total War.

Heres the link:
http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=98

Maybe you can get some ideas for the campaign map and faction from his mod.

**Clever Name** · June 14, 2007, 09:43 AM

I agree with all your points Antagonist, though i think that the Scottsih Royalists will have to be allied with the Royalists in general in the campaign game. So whos up for working on this mod? by the way the title is changeable its somewhat misleading...

**Antagonist** · June 15, 2007, 08:28 AM

Yes, alliances would be the other problem for the Scottish Royalists. It's practically inconceivable that they should be at war with either the English Royalists or the Confederacy (the former because they're fighting for the King, the latter because they depended on them so much for military support etc.) Quite a lot of possible alliances would be absurdly ahistorical really: Covenant and Parliament were allied initially but that fell apart, and neither of them would ever ally with, or even treat with the Confederates (anti-Catholic sentiment in some quarters at this juncture was really nothing short of hysterical) The Royalists would obviously never ally with Parliament but they were at one stage better disposed with both Covenant and Confederation.

As for helping, I'd love to but my skills are limited largely to basic coding and testing but I hope to increase them in future, I'm more or less full with commitments right now. My suggestion for a mod like this actually would be to attach it to an existing major project (if there is one) which will deal with European warfare in the 17th Century. The great majority of the units would just be reskins of generic pike and musket units (only the Gaelic units of the Scottish Royalists and Confederacy would require new models really) so if you could get permission to use models and assets from a larger mod with the Britannia campaign map you'd have most of the "ingredients" ready to hand.

Antagonist