About the Darkage era...

[sirfiggin]

You guys have an option on the opening menu to select the Late era, High era, Early era and the Darkage era. The first three are clear enough and, in a sense, are in vanilla. But the Darkage era seems rather unrepresented in the community, so I wondered what your ideas were for it.

[Drtad]

You guys have an option on the opening menu to select the Late era, High era, Early era and the Darkage era. The first three are clear enough and, in a sense, are in vanilla. But the Darkage era seems rather unrepresented in the community, so I wondered what your ideas were for it.

Starts in 884 I think,and it goes until 1080? SV, correct me if I am wrong.

[SicilianVespers]

Starts in 884 I think,and it goes until 1080? SV, correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, it will start around 888 AD, but I haven't set an end date yet.

I think there is a thread with a tentative faction list.


http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...2&postcount=30

[|Lorre|]

Making this campaign will be not an easy one, imho... the risk of resemblance with Early Era one is impressive... units should be very revamped to have this campaign work...

[Drtad]

Making this campaign will be not an easy one, imho... the risk of resemblance with Early Era one is impressive... units should be very revamped to have this campaign work...

Not really:

1. Armenia is actually in Armenia and not in Cilicia.
2. Bulgaria is a bit bigger if I am not mistaken.
3. Byzantimes are quite powerful in this era, under the Armenian emperor Basil I.
4. Serbia is a Zupanate.
5. No Turks in this era.

That already seems like a lotof differences to me.

Buy the way SV, would the Emirate of Azerbaijan be a viable faction? or is it a bit too far off of the map.

[|Lorre|]

Not really:

1. Armenia is actually in Armenia and not in Cilicia.
2. Bulgaria is a bit bigger if I am not mistaken.
3. Byzantimes are quite powerful in this era, under the Armenian emperor Basil I.
4. Serbia is a Zupanate.
5. No Turks in this era.

That already seems like a lotof differences to me.

Buy the way SV, would the Emirate of Azerbaijan be a viable faction? or is it a bit too far off of the map.

I'm not talking about factions, I'm talking about troop types... it will be very difficult to have battlefields a different look from Early Era...

[sirfiggin]

It seems that you are lacking a focal point for this era, what about the split of Charlemagne's empire, into France and HRE? It was pretty important, so it could have potential...

[SicilianVespers]

It seems that you are lacking a focal point for this era, what about the split of Charlemagne's empire, into France and HRE? It was pretty important, so it could have potential...

That is the focal point, but it's the split of the Carolingian Empire into France (West Frankish Kdm), Germany (East Frankish Kdm), Italy, and Burgundy.

The mod will focus on the internal struggle for the Imperial Crown, while they deal with external threats like the Magyars, Muslims, and Vikings.

[gaius valerius]

have you thought about introducing sergeant swordmen? i played with those units in Road To Jerusalem & they are really sweet early age swordmen. i think they were from an other mod but you should check that out perhaps. they really looked like early age troops.

[SicilianVespers]

have you thought about introducing sergeant swordmen? i played with those units in Road To Jerusalem & they are really sweet early age swordmen. i think they were from an other mod but you should check that out perhaps. they really looked like early age troops.

I will take a look at them. Burrek K&K also has dismounted mailed knights, but I didn't add them because they are like SV's Provencal and Angevin men-at-arms.

[|Lorre|]

Mmh, Valerius did not say a wrong thing... I feel the lack of a good "middle-armored" sword unit in this game...

[sirfiggin]

How do you think you are going to do the Byzantines? Because I know they were under heavy pressure from the Muslims, that made them lose the holyland+ egypt, but most of their territory was lost with the original arad conquests, so what will the Romanoi be like?

[gaius valerius]

yes i was wondering about the byzantines to. they lost most of there important provinces in the dark ages due to the arab conquest (so when i play as the byzantines i'll want them back!! ) and many slav invaders bugged them in the balkan region (i'll get them to!! ) but this was mostly to blame due to internal factors and the stressing of their resources in the past centuries against the sassanids. so on paper they should have the most modern army in the world (known to them) at the time. they also had a different military system than in the 11th century (think the macedonian emperors reformed it) so will the byzantines have new units?

i think they should have superior quality units, but due to economic trouble they can't use this to its maximum potential. while most other nations have inferior troops they have the numbers. in my opinion the byzantines should be able to recruit strong troops very early on (introduce new/renamed types of units & give them for example a citadel in their heartland) but to make it so that it wouldn't be unbalancing, they shouldn't be able to use them in great numbers right away (by making them recruitable but very expensive, in combination with a war ravaged economical infrastructure & many many rebel forces that need to be dealt with first).

the byzantines must be the strongest but they also should be placed in the most difficult position, being attacked from everywhere & at the start having only the ability to defend. and when the storm lies down its time for some good old justinian renovatio imperii romanorum !!!

[Battlehawk]

Maybe 1051, the year if I am not mistaken that the battle of Manzikurt happened, as it was a drastic change, and would allow some transition into the Early Era.

[Konstantin Alexander]

Yes, it will start around 888 AD, but I haven't set an end date yet.

Battle of Mantzikert (or Malazgirt) : 26.08.1071

[SicilianVespers]

After the early campaign is settled, I want to do another campaign starting around 1015.

The Kingdom of Italy will replace Genoa, and Armenia will be in Great Armenia.

Maybe even a Norman horde in Southern Italy.

It should be fairly quick to make the changes.

[Drtad]

After the early campaign is settled, I want to do another campaign starting around 1015.

The Kingdom of Italy will replace Genoa, and Armenia will be in Great Armenia.

Maybe even a Norman horde in Southern Italy.

It should be fairly quick to make the changes.

Wasn't the Kingdom of Italy just a constituent state of the HRE by 960 or something of the sort? I heard that the Kings of Germany were also the kings of Italy by this time, so it would make it difficult having Italy's leader in Germany. I'd say Republic of Pisa or Principality of Benevento. By the way, what would the 1015 campaign be called? Pre-Turk Era? Will the Turks be scripted to appear at a certain date? To me it seems like a rather awkward date considering all of the events that occur between 1015-1080.

[SicilianVespers]

Wasn't the Kingdom of Italy just a constituent state of the HRE by 960 or something of the sort? I heard that the Kings of Germany were also the kings of Italy by this time, so it would make it difficult having Italy's leader in Germany. I'd say Republic of Pisa or Principality of Benevento. By the way, what would the 1015 campaign be called? Pre-Turk Era? Will the Turks be scripted to appear at a certain date? To me it seems like a rather awkward date considering all of the events that occur between 1015-1080.

After the death of Otto III, Arduino d'Ivrea was proclaimed King of Italy. He ruled from about 1002 - 1015.

This is still only in the idea stage, and will probably wait until after the dark age.

[DaVinci]

If all main era campaigns are done, we could think about faction mods with relevant cut maps ... . There could be for example:
- HRE / Italy
- Muslim Invasion / Iberia and South-France
- Hungary / Byzantines / Balkan / Steppe / Asia Minor / Armenia

also with much shorter timeframes.