To all Christian creationists here: which theory of creation do you subscribe to?

[RusskiSoldat]

Brief explanation of all choices (for a more in-depth one, go here):
Young Earth creationists: believe that earth is between 6 and 10 thousand years old and a massive flood shaped the world. Rejects all scientific studies of age other than seeking to pinpoint the time of the global flood.
The types of them are:
Modern geocentrism: belief that the Universe is geocentric. I doubt many hold this view, though.
Omphalos hypothesis: states that when all was created, it was already in place as if it had been around before. i.e. the Grand Canyon is there because God created it in a shape resembling the present, not due to many years of erosion. Based on the most basic of Christian beliefs: omnipotence of God.
Creation science: try to justify Young Earth Creationism with scientific findings. Undoubtedly an interesting branch, but I know very little of the conclusions it reached.

Now here is the Old Earth:
Gap creationism: states that there is a gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, that first the earth was created in some state and life developed there, but then it became shapeless and void and God created all. No idea where the creation of the other physical elements and entities (the sun among them) fits into this.
Day-age creationism: argues semantics, in that "day" in Hebrew could also be taken to mean "age" and as such life actually developed over time.
Progressive creationism: believes in the basics of macroevolution, but claims that God intervened at all the right moments and formed the principles by which evolution takes place.
Theistic evolution: believes in all theories accepted by science, and states that God used such things as evolution as a means to create the Earth in its present form.

Quite a lot of these seem sympathetic and the concept of Creation Science interests me.
Your thoughts?

[the_mango55]

I believe a mix of the Old Earth theories.

But not the Gap creationism, that seems a little weird.

[infernocanuck]

hehehe. I though Gap creationism consisted of The Almighty creating "The Gap", and shopping around a while before picking out a universe He thought matched His eyes.

I think that is probably more plausible.

Seriously though, I would argue that evolution is no threat to any religion, especially Christianity. Evolution -might- explain the "How", but it doesn't explain the "Why"

[verity_blues]

I believe that it is ALL far to great a thing to be explained in the Bible alone. Its going to take a face-to-face talk with God to grasp it. And later in Genesis this is shown to be presently impossible, for Moses asked God to show Himself to him. And God stated that if Moses were to see Him it would literaly kill Him, because of his sin. He allowed Moses to only see his garment as He passed over him. This verse, among others, reminds us that the purpose of us being here is not to understand everything, because in our present state (sinners) we cannot do so without death. The focus and purpose of our "being" is to accept, with faith and humility, the knowledge that God judges us capable of understanding and be satisfied with that.
Back to point, I believe that this worlds creation is how He intended it to be. And I am satisfied with that. Yes, I am curious. And yes, I am aware of the science on the matter, and no one pours over the Hubble telescope images as often as I do, either. I am VERY interested and intriqued over all of it. But, I am satisfied with the fact that, no, I do not understand it nor imagine that here on earth I might ever figure it out either. I simply believe, and I know that all shall be revealed to me in eternity.
The apostles say over and over again, that Jesus is coming tomorrow. Even then, soon after His death, they were telling all who would listen that He would be here tomorrow. Tomorrow is not very far away either, and tomorrow I shall meet Him, and He shall reveal to me how the world and universe came to be. Until then I shall be reading about it in the Bible, and watching The History Channel's new special, "The Universe," too!

[kev-o]

The biggest flaw of creationism is that it isn't a justifiable arguement. I lmao when I hear people tralk about the earth being 4000 years old ,but there is carbon dating and.... well you know. Then they say "well God made the earth to apear billions of years old." Why would do that?

[VoodooTengo]

You really should have put up evolution inspired by God, which is different than just straight up Theistic evolution.

The biggest flaw of creationism is that it isn't a justifiable arguement. I lmao when I hear people tralk about the earth being 4000 years old ,but there is carbon dating and.... well you know. Then they say "well God made the earth to apear billions of years old." Why would do that?

Because if those claims were verifiable in a scentific way that would destroy the mystery of faith.

Basics: Your problem is that you trying to critique this from an insiders perspective, and that makes your points inaccessible to most people who do not share a literal interpretation of the Bible, which is most people.
From a non-christain point of view, saying Jesus authenticated what he was saying with the old testament doesn't work because he would have known the old testament, and if he was an imposter what he must say to be interpreted as a messianic figure. You also can't use Jesus' accurate predictions in the Gosopels to declare he is real and therefore everything else about Christianity is real, because the goseples were written after a lot of what he predicted would happen (like the sacking and burning of Jerusalem).

Christians like myself do not give doubt to his word, we just belive that God being smarter than all of us speaks to us like a writer does in literature, using symbolism and metaphors for what he is really saying.

And with the Big Bang thing maybe they are one in the same.
Edit: And you should try not to take a literal interpretation of the Bible its intellectually reckless/ignorant.

[the_mango55]

You really should have put up evolution inspired by God, which is different than just straight up Theistic evolution.

That's how I kind of view Progressive creationism, which is where my vote went.

[hyru99]

I don't have a black-and-white look at it. I am a Cristian but I don't fully believe you can put everything in the old testament to be true. As alot of things deciphered from the bible, it was deciphered from that individual. As with all historians in how we got our history, all facts can be altered no matter what they are. We have the option trust and believe what we read and hear. All in all I believe "thee christian god" created earth and humans. It makes sense to me that we were in fact scattered over the globe and were created different. We did not have, at least not on record the ability to move across the world, and not even the history channel no matter how hard they spend their lives trying, will be able to know for sure exactly, its all asumption. Which I is why I believe this. This is my opinion

[basics]

It probably comes as no surprise that I believe that God made all things exactly as He said He did. Why, because you either believe God or you don't. Is it not a fact that the Lord Jesus Christ who is God referred continually to the Scriptures of the Old Testament to authenticate the things He was revealing? If only one thing could be proved wrong then that which He declared had no foundation whatsoever.

But then go to the very last words of the last book of the New Testament, the Revelation of Jesus Christ and what is written in Genesis is confirmed there by the figurative numbers that God uses throughout Scripture. Now there was a reason for man being made on the sixth day just as there is a reason why God rested on the seventh. But that is not all He described in Genesis the times of days and nights, the role of the sun and moon among others.

He even described what it means to disbelieve Him and what that means to all mankind so how anyone claiming to be Christian can give doubt to His word utterly fails me. One cannot believe that a day is 24 hours and then say that it means something else for if that were the case the times and seasons guided by that principal would be no more than chaotic and they are not.

Now why it is easier for men to believe anything other than that is down to God's word for He also tells us why. He is the Creator who made all things that we know of and probably lots more that we don't yet know of but these are not additions to His word rather as of yet uncovered things within what He has already made.

Science I think proves that almost on a daily basis but science doesn't invent them because the elements are already there. They only have to be discovered. You know when men talk of a big bang coming out of nothing yet laugh heartily at a power so mighty and awesome claiming to have made all things I wonder at why the latter is impossible yet the former is more probable.

[VoodooTengo]

I don't have a black-and-white look at it. I am a Cristian but I don't fully believe you can put everything in the old testament to be true. As alot of things deciphered from the bible, it was deciphered from that individual. As with all historians in how we got our history, all facts can be altered no matter what they are. We have the option trust and believe what we read and hear. All in all I believe "thee christian god" created earth and humans. It makes sense to me that we were in fact scattered over the globe and were created different. We did not have, at least not on record the ability to move across the world, and not even the history channel no matter how hard they spend their lives trying, will be able to know for sure exactly, its all asumption. Which I is why I believe this. This is my opinion

It does make sense that we could be "scattered over the globe and were created differnent" but it is illogical. We do have on record the ability to move across continents, have you ever heard of Pangea? or the Bearing Sea Ice Bridge? The fossils found in northern aftica are the oldest in the world, and from there it would appear that we spread out and developed independently of each other for the most part, not unlike darwins finches'.

[Drtad]

I believe in theistic evolution. It seems the most likely to me, and it is a farrrrrrrrrr better idea then "Young Earth".

EDIT: Wouldn't Day-Age creationism be the same thing as theistic evolution, or is there a slight difference I am not seeing?

[Gary88]

Quite a lot of these seem sympathetic and the concept of Creation Science interests me.
Your thoughts?

the problem with creation science is that its not really that scientific. its just looking for any scientific idea that shows relevence or proof of creationism, creation 'scientists' already know the answer and look for ways to prove it.


EDIT
this isnt supposed to be anti christian or anything its just that particular creation field is to me, bollocks