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    Default Hate, Love, Hate?

    This is a semi rant but opinions and or sharing of experiences are welcome.

    First of all I this is somewhat difficult for me to spill my guts here but this time I will not be stoped, as it is irritating the living daylight out of me.

    This is a post about illusions, two faced ways of living, deceit and estrangement in relationships although aldutery isn’t a issue in my case.

    I haven’t told anyone, exept my parrent, my true feelings regarding this subject and I will be mixing it with a bit of ethics and morals to keep it relevant within the sub-forum Ethos, Mores and Monastica, it is a semi long read, so beware.

    Nearly two years ago I met this beautiful Chinese girl via a mutual friend of ours in a café and we fell in love with each other at first sight, well she did to be precice, my affection came somewhat later. As chance would have it she didn’t live that far from where I live, less than 500 hundred meters.

    As days progressed by she told me that she wasn’t seeking for a relationship because she came out of one not to long ago with a somewhat agrassive ex boyfriend but that is exactly what it became; a very intense and stable relationship in the most positive of ways.
    She was, and still is, a student at a local university and I was preparing finacial needs to go to university myself.
    Our lives and relationship went like a breeze, her mother was gone a long time to China which is where they had a second home, so we both had nothing to worry about for months.

    When her mother return to the Netherlands our relationship had to be covered up in her opinion because of her mothers scepticim of combing relationships with study thus resulting in sneeking around her mother’s awareness of the situation.
    I felt quite uncomfortable with it but proceded non the less.

    Six months after we met we were deeply in love, we saw and talked very much and had so much in common and I viewed her as a very close friend, a soulmate if you will, and she expressed that to me also, not the soulmate bit but very close friends as well as lovers.

    There were some flaws in the relationship communication-wise like her inability to talk about the things that bothered her which included her mother and her choice of study amongst other problems.

    Anyhow, she conviced me that she wanted a serious relationship with me and for the first time in a long time I wasn’t scared to make that commitment. Parts of her verbal poetry consisted of finding a appartment together, getting married and eventually having kids. At first I was very sceptical regarding the issue but eventually I was smooth talked be her and let my guard down and was oblivious to any incoming signs of misery.

    Misery indeed came at the fortheenth month of our relationship when she decided out of the blue, and I really mean out of the blue, to stop our relationship because she viewed me more as a friend than anything else.
    In hindsight there was one sign that I should of picked up but I was overwhelmed by how she prestented herself.

    I allowed myself to fall completely in love with her in the last couple of months while on her side feelings for me diminished. But that didn’t stop her from acting as she played a very convincing role.

    She crushed me that day when she told me that and I was so miserable that I couldn’t even ask if she had a real or better reason to dump me. She said that I mattered very much to her and she cared a great deal for me but not in a way she did before.
    We parted ways without saying too much to each other but I could slightly notice her indifference with the breakup.

    I couldn’t sleep that night, nothing could cheer me up and clouds started to gather above my head that ended up staying for a long period of time. The next day I wanted some answers so I went to her place only to find out that she went out with some friends the other night and she didn’t seem to care for my feelings al to much wich seemed odd because of what she said the other day.

    Days passed by, my motivation for studying went downhill and eventually came to a halt, I was beating myself down because I chose to do that and it felt just right.
    An explanation never surfaced and we lost touch with each other; she wanted to be friends but her hart wasn’t in it just like mine wasn’t open for such a thing at that time.

    The sudden loss of a, what I concidered, good friend left a void that my other close friends couldn’t fill and other problems and worries that I had only made it worse.

    The breakup was a year ago and I only recoverd from it (not the breakup exclusivley but other problems as well) not to long ago.
    It started to build my life back up again and in turn tried to avoid contact with my ex, this is because I still had very strong feelings for her.

    This is because I opened up myself, my soul to her and I thought she did the same, she gave so much of herself, her secrets away to me that it appeared to be real or was maybe it was real, I really cannot tell the differance even till this day.

    As time past by I heard how she talked to people I knew and they argued that she always asked about me in a caring way leaving me somewhat confused and angry.

    I saw her as I was walking home today, she called my name and she was standing several meters behind me, it felt really crappy but I didn’t feel like walking away so we talked.... about everthing but the relationship which meant nothing to me, the things we talked about I mean.

    She told me that she was preparing to leave Holland to live abroad in Australia with her mother ( her mother does not want her to live on her own) and she even picked a date wich is five years from now. We talked some more and eventually she ditched me because she needed to go to work in the evening. She said “I will see you around sometime eventually’’ and left for home.

    It was really awkward because the conversation was the most superficial if ever had with her, the relationship thing prevented us from having a ‘’friend’’ talk and I was angered by it.
    We were alienated and it felt wrong.

    In the end she took what I had offered, crushed me and did absolutely nothing to ease my mind about as to why she did it other than a ‘’I am sorry, it isn’t you. I must be a bad person’’.

    So this stupid rant has come to a close, I needed it to get it of my chests and that I did.

    If you have opinions on people who make you believe on thing and really mean an other you can post it here.

    Love is a *****.

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    It hurts though I hope those barriers you will inevitably build up won't be up forever, I have been with my wife now for 12 years and I still miss my soulmate and I still have barriers which not even my children can break down.

    Please don't let this relationship ruin the chance you will definetly get with future partners.
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    Six months after we met we were deeply in love, we saw and talked very much and had so much in common and I viewed her as a very close friend, a soulmate if you will, and she expressed that to me also, not the soulmate bit but very close friends as well as lovers.
    were the both of you in love with each other or were you in love with her? it seems as if she told you exactly what type of relationship she wanted but you weren't listening.

    Misery indeed came at the fortheenth month of our relationship when she decided out of the blue, and I really mean out of the blue, to stop our relationship because she viewed me more as a friend than anything else.
    It wasn't out of the blue...she told you 8 mos prior to this

    In hindsight there was one sign that I should of picked up but I was overwhelmed by how she prestented herself.
    In other words you caught feelings for her...eventhough she had told you she only saw you as a 'friend with benifits'

    I allowed myself to fall completely in love with her in the last couple of months while on her side feelings for me diminished. But that didn’t stop her from acting as she played a very convincing role.
    her feelings didn't diminsh(according to your narrative)...it seems(im reading into it now) that she wanted something more casual and you were too...serious...until she got tired of it...

    There were some flaws in the relationship communication-wise like her inability to talk about the things that bothered her which included her mother and her choice of study amongst other problems.
    Anyhow, she conviced me that she wanted a serious relationship with me and for the first time in a long time I wasn’t scared to make that commitment. Parts of her verbal poetry consisted of finding a appartment together, getting married and eventually having kids. At first I was very sceptical regarding the issue but eventually I was smooth talked be her and let my guard down and was oblivious to any incoming signs of misery.
    She must've been hot as heck...take this as a life lesson...avoid women with communication problems...she seemed like she was confused from the beginning and didn't really know what she wanted...your mistake was becoming emotionally attached to a flake...furthermore, the talk about getting an apt. etc....It still seems like she is more fascinated with the "idea" of things...you're(from what I'm getting from your story) giving me the impression that she was uncertain/indecisive about certain things...all that talk was just that: talk.

    well that's my $.02 worth

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    Thank you for your kind words Noble Savage, I often know what I want but I do not know how to achive it.

    I try my best to to keep my mind open for further relationships but this one was really traumatic, it hurt me quite bad and although I recovered from most of it there are still some things that will not heal easily.


    Morteduzionism,

    I find it really hard to convey the memories and experiences we had together on paper without it sounding like some puppylove crushing story.

    Like I said, she never opened herself up completley and she does so to this day forward. It is hard to determine what was real and what was fake.
    Her friendship seemed real enough and she did confirm that with the bulk of what we had, With words too.

    When she told me that she didn't want to have a relationship I was fine with it and wanted to become friends, it was she that pushed it further, not I.

    She was somewhat agressive in those kind of things and that was a part I liked that about her and yes she was very pretty.

    I guess I was sucker punched and I am generally speaking a nice guy, it didn't go hand in hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyler View Post
    Thank you for your kind words Noble Savage, I often know what I want but I do not know how to achive it.

    I try my best to to keep my mind open for further relationships but this one was really traumatic, it hurt me quite bad and although I recovered from most of it there are still some things that will not heal easily.

    The first trick is not to define goals,just let yourself go. This is a negative experience but that doesn't meen you won't gain anything positive out of it. You will become wiser and you will be able to control your emotions better. It part of building character.

    Also don't forget most women are better actors than men

    Edit - It doesn't sound like puppy love ,just a normal mans experience. I'm glad you can connect to yourself and your experience enough to put it on paper.
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    Those things happen, at that age its hard to really be in "love" with someone, its more like your infatuated with them, but it can feel like you would think love does, and then one day either of you can just lose interest, its unfortunate but simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoodooTengo View Post
    Those things happen, at that age its hard to really be in "love" with someone, its more like your infatuated with them, but it can feel like you would think love does, and then one day either of you can just lose interest, its unfortunate but simple.
    I really don't think age has much do with it , I think the person in question is an adult. While there is no total definition of Love it may mean different things to different people.And Love is anything but simple
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    He said they were both early college age, thats way before your hormones really settle down, and before you can really know what you want.\\

    Edit: i know loves not simple, but the answer to teenage love generally is; lust, or infatuation

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoodooTengo View Post
    He said they were both early college age, thats way before your hormones really settle down, and before you can really know what you want.\\

    Edit: i know loves not simple, but the answer to teenage love generally is; lust, or infatuation
    Sorry mate ,I'm a bit confused ,his info says he is in his 20's. Anyways I do agree with you that in a lot of case hormones really do play a part,but people can find genuine love in their teens (my ma and pa got engaged in their teens).
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    Well, my experience tells me time can erase most pain, unless you would throw away that feeling after a few years.

    If it does not work, then let musketballs flying around you!! (that was what Wellington said)

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    Default Re: Hate, Love, Hate?

    I was 23 at that time and she was 22 years old.

    We were neither strangers to relationships and the aftermaths but this one hit hard.

    As for college, I didn't have the oppertunity to study when I was younger and now I have.
    Last edited by Skyler; June 08, 2007 at 04:45 PM.

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