time and gravity or how I learned to stop worrying and love the black hole

[Chaigidel]

well for some reason the sekrets of the universe were just deleted when I tried to post so I am going to try again using Edit ... please be patient :O ---

Ive tried to enter several times so Im going to try a ninja version


our universe is traveling faster than light towards a black hole--- all the black holes in the universe we see are the same black hole, there was no big bang we exist in a big crunch already--- time is a back wash of gravity moving through the various bands of the inner event horizon of a black hole --- because of the holes gravitons make in our faster than light 2 dimensional membranes it allows for quantum foam to push our relative universe outward, yet it is still a band of gravitic tide surrounding the one singularity that exists(as are all gravitons still this one infinite point)--- ill explain more if anyone is interested in this theory

we exist "backwards" in time following paths set down by the constriction of gravity moving through the planes towards the singularity.

the implications of a universe that exists in this manner accounts for every eventuality and all laws of science. () of course its just an intuitive theory)

i typed out a huge post 3 times and it explained it all very well, alas I have failed you :O

this is the most logical solution to why the universe is the way it is :O--

[Chaigidel]

this is all theoretical string theory will need to be proved correct for this concept to even come close to being correct as I said its largely an intiutive understanding it just hit me today, the entire process and I had to write it down in some form :O

the process of gravity is the permutation of the singularity throughout all of existence, it bubbles up within each band of the Tide of time, so to say as the "waters of time" flow outward from the action of the gravity drawing itself through the substance of the universe---- the singularity makes holes or other singularity even within the tides of gravity because the essence both physically and metaphysically is drawn towards its source , gravity is the actual force that draws towards a source--- around each object that it Bent into existence from the bands of space-time being twisted around each other

these bands are just the sections of the event horizon beyond the sight of light---- they stretch into infinite there approaching the singularity , just as we see our universe expanding it is only expanding "within' the bounds of our particular Planar Probable uncertainty--- so to say the universe is flat :O


gravity is the energy of the singularity thus it is both the 4th dimension of Time and the ONLY dimension of existence, since all is contained within its process

and this is not a doom , because by the very nature of an infinitely small point it is infinite--- we will continue to approach the singularity as long as time exists, and time will exist as long as something is approaching the singularity , since the singularity is essentially approaching itself then the whole process wouldnt ever end I suppose, but the laws would always be changing-- it could even explain why the constant of light has changed, it wasnt just the particles it was the actual forces in the universe we are peeking forward into the past when we look at the beginning of the end of the universe :O so to say the constant only changed because we were looking into a different band along the edge of time , but because of the nature of time as a backwash from the movement of gravity we are able to see the constant of light within a state in the CERTAIN past, and infinitely small past

you see the future is infinitely possible within probable uncertainty so to say the laws that time (gravity) has already established in this band will only change as the successive bands of time pass over them , so in the future you have times waters just washing up to the smallest edge of the uncertainty, they form possibility from the already established certainty yet, being the first to touch what is not yet made but it is still influenced from the choices and movements of the present --- the past is infinitely small a single chord barely a whisp in the darkness of absolute certainty, so you see momentary time(current time as we live now) is a cinch upon the Voids and the Singularity , because the future is infinitely large and the past infinitely small we are moving faster than light towards the singularity since it is what is infinitely small---
this is what tells me we are falling into the singularity its just the nature of time and gravity we percieve a big bang but it never happened we are still falling inward, yet live upon a moment that travels backwards along the lines so to say even as it pulls in it is expanding in a tidal sense and within this universe--- these are things not meant to be understood i think :O
:O i hope this makes sense quet

[Chaigidel]

so Im guessing this is just all gibberish to most of you ?

if you can find coherence please find scientific articles to slam it and totally disprove me or rather reduce the possibility of me being correct ?

[chris_uk_83]

Whoosh! Straight over my head . I don't know anything about string theory though.

[Axe-Battler]

string theory can't be proven.

Because it's just a concept like anything else.

The only thing that is constant in our universe in death.
Death is the only certainty.
This means everything changes and will change.

Even if scientists were to "prove" something such as string theory, give it another 20 years and it will be proven wrong...and they will have something new to figure out.

That's the way it has been for over a thousand years...and it always will be that way.

[Chaigidel]

I agree completely its largely pointless to understand such things , unless thats what you want to do , I suppose if there is math to back it up , if they can find a graviton perhaps we could master strange new forms of energy-- but I dont really know what the over all scientific implications of string theory being confirmed would be--

this understanding that ive written about struck me as a complete thought so I thought I would write it down er type it down :O, I dunno why it just seems perfect to me( perhaps my mind just decided I understood it and composed what elements it could to fool me into the illusion :O)

[Amorphos]

chia, hi

that last big post put it across much better i am interesting in how you see the link between you and the knowledge stream - y'know how things just seam to click together/arrive in the mind in a poetic harmony.

this was straight over my head too. ...

since the singularity is essentially approaching itself then the whole process wouldnt ever end I suppose.

no end - i can’t believe that , the infinitesimal point perhaps would not end - remembering that infinity is comparative [even though in its ‘true form’ it is incomparative {but then it cannot rightly be called infinity}], but the quantum is limited by definition. the singularity is quantum of finite - is it not? the infinitesimal point may be at every centre throughout the universe/singularity, but does it/they actually exist?

what would an infinite amount of infinitesimal points amount to, it seams an impossible equation. how then can we limit the amount of them? perhaps there is/can be only the one, i just presumed that there must be a point at the heart of any quantum energy, here is where my knowledge ends and string theory begins [a particle is no longer visualised as a part/sphere or quantum parcel], thus perhaps yes there must be only one point.

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[Richard]

Shouldn't this be in the Athanaeum?

[Juvenal]

@Chaigidel

What you have written reminds me of my state of mind sometimes when I wake up after a dream. I am convinced that the dream has given me some fundamental insight about existence, but when I try to explain it I am unable to form a coherant argument.

The main problem I have with your explanation is that I don't understand it. This is because it contains many terms which are not explained.

For example

the process of gravity is the permutation of the singularity throughout all of existence

My understanding of singularity is that it a region where a physical model breaks down because of infinities in some of the terms. In other words, a physical theory describes everwhere except for the region of the singularity. Since a singularity is by definition a point whose nature we cannot describe, then what is a permutation of a singularity?

Another example

sections of the event horizon beyond the sight of light---- they stretch into infinite there approaching the singularity

OK, an event horizon is collection of points around a singularity where escape velocity is equal to the speed of light. This would normally be the surface of a sphere. The event horizon clearly does not approach the singularity, nor is it infinite, and as for "beyond the sight of light", I have no idea what this might mean.

I would really like to know what Planar Probable uncertainty is.

gravity is the energy of the singularity thus it is both the 4th dimension of Time and the ONLY dimension of existence, since all is contained within its process

I thought gravity is the effect of curvature of space-time which is in turn created by the presence of mass and energy. A singularity is a point in space - how can it have energy?
In what way is gravity a dimension?
What is the difference between dimensions of Time and dimensions of existence?

You should not get carried away with infinity. Infinity is a mathematical concept - there is no proof that it actually exists in the real universe. As far as we can tell, the universe is discrete at the fundamental level, not continuous. Therefore there is no infinitely small beyond the Planck length. There is no infinitely fast because the speed of light is the upper limit for speed. We cannot tell if the universe if infinitely large, because light will not yet have reach us from anywhere further than 13 Billion light years away (the estimated age of the universe). The universe can easily be unbounded, but still finite (as is the surface of a balloon).

these are things not meant to be understood

This is a sad conclusion, because it effectively says that your explanation is to be admired, but not investigated or criticised. I hope you change your mind about that part.

I don't want to rubbish your views, I am just pointing out that they need fuller explanation, especially where they appear to contradict current scientific knowledge.

Anyway, it is good to explore the meaning of existence.

[David Deas]

If it is beyond possible understanding, then it is also beyond possibility.

[Prof]

my brain hurts

who the **** keeps thinking of such theories?

[DisgruntledGoat]

Judging from my knowledge chaigidel's previous posts (i.e. he has a very low understanding of any sort of science, philosophy etc) I would conclude that what this really is just a jumble of big words set to confuse and mislead the reader into thinking that something actually knowledgeable has been produced. Not to mention he admits that he himself posts nonsensical things just to see how things go (aka the genocide thread).

[Gary88]

If it is beyond possible understanding, then it is also beyond possibility.

how very profound and very stupid.

our universe is traveling faster than light towards a black hole--- all the black holes in the universe we see are the same black hole, there was no big bang we exist in a big crunch already

on what basis do you (or someone else) make that claim? is this just philosophical ******** or is this a real theory? we dont exist in a big crunch (universally speaking) galaxies not only are moving away from each other (which isnt quite true but is an easier way to understand what is happening and has the same effect) but are ACCELERATING, we are far closer to an open universe than a closed one which would result in a 'big crunch'. not only that but even if it were closed then that in no way means the big bang didnt happen.

[Chaigidel]

well first off im not a physicist so I cant tell you how valid my understanding is :O

secondly I encourage people to try and think about this and come up with reasons why its not happening this way --- its just an idea afterall-- my last statement about this is something not meant to be known is because afterall its discussing one of the most enormous processes in existence, so i merely state the obvious its probably close to not ever being something that is meant to be understood -- now to address some points about my wording

The Permutation of the Singularity Throughout existence-- I may have to do this in several posts

by permutation I mean the singularity being at the source of all things, hence the closed wave graviton is merely another result of the ONE singularity(because of the closed wave)--therefore the Graviton is merely yet another aspect of the ONE singularity repeating itself infinitely in all things

Im not talking about the spherical equalization of the speed of light that is carried out on the event horizon im talking about what is beyond the event horizon into the actual singularity--- I believe contained within that "theoretically" limitless point are the bands of existence approaching the infinite center


Planar Probable Uncertainty-- admittedly somewhat a strange way of description but consulting the again "theoretical" membrane theory--- the planar probable uncertainty is the limit of uncertainty within the laws of a given membrane..

in this membrane we are limited by the laws of physics, etc therefore our laws of nature limit us in possibility and so limit the amount of uncertainty allowed in a given plane or membrane

[DisgruntledGoat]

well first off im not a physicist so I cant tell you how valid my understanding is :O

secondly I encourage people to try and think about this and come up with reasons why its not happening this way --- its just an idea afterall-- my last statement about this is something not meant to be known is because afterall its discussing one of the most enormous processes in existence, so i merely state the obvious its probably close to not ever being something that is meant to be understood -- now to address some points about my wording

The Permutation of the Singularity Throughout existence-- I may have to do this in several posts

by permutation I mean the singularity being at the source of all things, hence the closed wave graviton is merely another result of the ONE singularity(because of the closed wave)--therefore the Graviton is merely yet another aspect of the ONE singularity repeating itself infinitely in all things

Im not talking about the spherical equalization of the speed of light that is carried out on the event horizon im talking about what is beyond the event horizon into the actual singularity--- I believe contained within that "theoretically" limitless point are the bands of existence approaching the infinite center


Planar Probable Uncertainty-- admittedly somewhat a strange way of description but consulting the again "theoretical" membrane theory--- the planar probable uncertainty is the limit of uncertainty within the laws of a given membrane..

in this membrane we are limited by the laws of physics, etc therefore our laws of nature limit us in possibility and so limit the amount of uncertainty allowed in a given plane or membrane

In other words you just made a whole lot of **** up and are looking for people to refute it...

EDIT: also you used the term permutation and I have yet to understand the context that you are trying to use it. Permutation doesn't have to do with anything being the source of anything. Permutation has to do with sequences and probability or from a language perspective transforming something neither of which applies to what you are saying.

[scottishranger]

Moved to the Athaneum

[Chaigidel]

Gravity Is NOT the result of the curve in space time it is the CAUSE, the graviton(operating again on the theory that it exists as a closed wave unlike every other particle we know about) so as the gravitons move through the various bands or membranes they curve and warp it punching holes the size of gravitons into each successive band ,, the other stuff in the given membrane mixes with stuff from membranes the gravitons movement has opened up in the given plane, hence the membranes wrap around each other and space-time seems to warp, because we are actually existing within a warped area of the continium that only occured BECAUSE WE ARE MOVING FASTER THAN LIGHT

this is how I would explain quantum particles seeming to jump around , and the continous expansion of our individual band of existence--- because even as we collapse at the speed of light our entire universe is RELATIVELY moving the same speed so we dont feel like we are moving faster than light, but it is exactly because we are moving faster than light that the intermingling of the various energy forms and particles occured

Infinite Uncertainty and Infinite Certainty basically Infinitely Large and Infinitely Small

now as time moves it makes things certain infinitely certain, out of all the possible worlds it makes one and there is no disputing what has occured, the future seems infinitely uncertain(within mild bounds)-- so you can say that the past is infinitely small in comparison with the future , this is what gave me the idea that we are falling into a black hole already

because to move faster than light you must have the universe expanded behind you and made small infront of you not necessarily infinitely small (but im not completely sure)-- so you see if time is small behind us and big in front of us we must be moving backwards though we perceive time as an expanding forward moving thing( which it is) our actual universe is traveling faster than light towards the singularity

Now if that is true then All the black holes observable( if any im not sure if they ahve even proven the black hole) are actually all just the same singularity , showing itself where gravitons have made a large enough hole for it to push through, the graviton is equal to the black hole, they are all the same singularity.

Also the reason I didnt put this in athaenum is because I dont have any scientific background, this was just something that hit me so I thought it fit in Ethos

every time I have read about Permutations it has to do with mysticism or math so it seemed appropriate in that respect and in the way I described my use I dont see how it is out of place

[DisgruntledGoat]

every time I have read about Permutations it has to do with mysticism or math so it seemed appropriate in that respect and in the way I described my use I dont see how it is out of place

Because it doesn't make any sense, the permutation is just the wrong word. Just because you see it used in relation to those things doesn't mean its applicable to what you are saying. Please explain to me how it isn't out of place and that it works perfectly to describe the gibberish you have so far put forth.

-Goat just as you fail to see the logic I fail to see how this theory is

So far you have spewed a bunch of gibberish, incorrect terminology and really done nothing to explain anything of what you said without more gibberish (quantum foam PLEEASE!). Meanwhile you seem to think you have reasoned (without any scientific background) the complete opposite of everything modern science has determined. So excuse me for not seeing the logic in your theory.

[Chaigidel]

the acceleration of the universe is due to the various holes in the membranes , from which the quantum foam of the previous band bleeds into our existence, pushing all of the present matter and energy farther and farther apart within the relative band which approaches the Singularity

-Goat just as you fail to see the logic I fail to see how this theory is illogical

[Chaigidel]

ok permutation is the wrong word--- doesnt make what I have stated gibberish-- since you cant see how it could be a permutation then look at it like this

the Graviton each and every particle is merely the one singularity manifesting itself randomly in all places at once, since all things are contained with in it

the graviton is the only particle that functions as the singularity

so to say Since we are within it , we drift through its very substance, being the graviton

and why so agitated? I didnt claim this as fact I claimed it as an Idea I had while walking

I will continue trying to answer questions as to why Im right tho :O