Muslim women Jailed for Child cruelty

[Rhah]

From BBC.co.uk

Pair jailed for chilli 'torture'
Two women who force-fed children raw chilli and raw eggs, and stung them with nettles, have been jailed for acts of "sustained cruelty".
Fatima Shafiq, from Ramsgate, Kent, and Khadija Makbout, from west London, were sentenced to 19 months in prison at Canterbury Crown Court on Monday.

The two Muslim women have also been banned from working with children.

"This was a case of sustained cruelty that some would say bordered on torture," said Judge Timothy Nash.

"It had a sadistic element to it."


The pair were found guilty of six child cruelty offences and one assault charge between 1997 and 2006 at Canterbury Crown Court last month.

Judge Nash said: "The one thing that has been unimpressive since your conviction in the case of both of you is that there is not one single word of remorse.

"Those children will be emotionally scarred for many years to come."

'Love with boundaries'

They became friends after meeting at the Finsbury Park Mosque in London in 1997.

The court was told Makbout and Shafiq had beaten the four girls and two boys with wooden rolling pins and kicked and punched them.

They also force-fed the children with hot chilli powder - a punishment they used on a two-year-old-girl.

Shafiq saw her actions as "Islamic" and believed in "love with boundaries", Canterbury Crown Court was told.

Judge Nash said: "You were undoubtedly, Fatima, obsessed with punishment. You behaved like a hospital matron of the 19th Century, bullying the children in an unforgivable way."

Prevention orders

Shafiq, aged 60 and from Saudi Arabia, had told police "in her country, the use of chilli was normal".

Judge Nash told her: "It's no good you saying 'this is what we did in Saudi Arabia'.

"You have been over here for 40 years, you know how we live over here and that's what makes your part in this so wrong."

Makbout, 41, of Chiswick, told police she was having "emotional problems" when she made one girl eat chilli powder.

They were both jailed for 14 months for six child cruelty offences and five months for an assault offence.

They also received Prevention Orders which ban them from working with children indefinitely.

I'm not usually one to post these "Muslims are evil" type threads, but this story has really wound me up. anyone have any thoughts on this?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Yes. That their faith is irrelevent. Child cruelty cases are not as uncommon as we would like to think. Last month or so a mother was caught on camera encouraging her toddler children to fight one another while she egged them on.

If you can give statistics to show how muslims are more inclined to be cruel to their children in Britain then fair enough, one case is obviously a terrible basis to judge a faith on.

[Sadreddine]

Why saying "muslim women"?

This shows again that the media is mostly corrupt and ill-intended. When a man murders his family, it never states "a christian murders his wife and children at cold blood", but " a man..." or "a man from..." or "a (insert nationality) man..."

This women happen to be muslims, so what? The double standards applied by the media are sickening. Cases like this happen by thousands everywhere. But hey look at these news, those are muslims...members of the cult of hatred, how bad those terrorists are, even at home.

Disgusting.

[Carach]

Why saying "muslim women"?

This shows again that the media is mostly corrupt and ill-intended. When a man murders his family, it never states "a christian murders his wife and children at cold blood", but " a man..." or "a man from..." or "a (insert nationality) man..."

This women happen to be muslims, so what? The double standards applied by the media are sickening. Cases like this happen by thousands everywhere. But hey look at these news, those are muslims...members of the cult of hatred, how bad those terrorists are, even at home.

Disgusting.

most of the time they go out of their way to defend you guys bombing civilians in resturants, i wouldnt turn on them if i were you.

Even in Indonesia I NEVER read an article regarding a general crime on the newspaper in which the criminal is identified by his/her religion or race. After reading this article my perception of Europe is just deteriorating even further. (Sigh ...)

now here's a wacky thought for you jankren, maybe if your brothers and sisters werent kidnapping and/or beheading pro-peace aid workers, bombing hotels, trains, resturants and night clubs, flying planes into skyscrapers filled with yet more civilians, and constantly calling for our utter annihilation... we wouldnt be "so quick to judge"?

damn now that is one crazy proposal

oh btw, why do your brothers and sisters consider all jews to be fat money grabbing greedy satanistic fat pigs?..


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anyway, as ferrets said is what i think. just pointing out the hypocrisy of the muslims that inhabit these boards.

[Serious Spamurai]

most of the time they go out of their way to defend you guys bombing civilians in resturants, i wouldnt turn on them if i were you.

A bit of generalisation there, you ought to be careful, that could be considered a troll or a flame, or even an example of hate speech.

now here's a wacky thought for you jankren, maybe if your brothers and sisters werent kidnapping and/or beheading pro-peace aid workers, bombing hotels, trains, resturants and night clubs, flying planes into skyscrapers filled with yet more civilians, and constantly calling for our utter annihilation... we wouldnt be "so quick to judge".

Such a comment could easily be reversed, If Americans didn't interfere with everything, bomb middle eastern countries, support terrorists if it suits their own agenda, kill civilians, support Israel, then Muslims wouldn't be "so quick to fill a car with C4 and drive it into an embassy".

[Carach]

A bit of generalisation there, you ought to be careful, that could be considered a troll or a flame, or even an example of hate speech.

report me then? im sure the moderators will come to a conclusion of their own, most likely against what you accuse me of here. (never realised "you guys" could be interpreted as hate speech? lawl)

[Serious Spamurai]

report me then? im sure the moderators will come to a conclusion of their own, most likely against what you accuse me of here.

I said could, I didn't say I considered it as such. If you want me to I will, but I do not feel the need.

[danzig]

Why saying "muslim women"?

This shows again that the media is mostly corrupt and ill-intended. When a man murders his family, it never states "a christian murders his wife and children at cold blood", but " a man..." or "a man from..." or "a (insert nationality) man..."

Probably because of this line

Shafiq saw her actions as "Islamic" and believed in "love with boundaries", Canterbury Crown Court was told.

Hence mentioning they are Muslim can already be assumed if that was her defense of her actions. The article obviously does not reflect Islam but it appears atleast it was part of the motive of the woman and hence relevant to the story.

[redirflow]

@Rhah,

How about this one (What do you think?):

15 priest abuse cases are settled

(Posted by Chicago Tribune on Tuesday May 29)

“It's important that I hold the archdiocese to some level of accountability. I had to do this for myself and for those who have yet to come forward.”

Kathy Laarveld thought that by working at her son Keith's Catholic elementary school she could shield him from danger and guarantee him a happy childhood.

But in 2003 her adult son shared horrifying news: At his 8th birthday party and celebration of his First Communion, Rev. Vincent McCaffrey had molested him inside the Laarvelds' home. The abuse, he said, continued for four years behind closed doors just steps away from his mother's desk at St. Joseph the Worker School in Wheeling.

'I would rather have died than let this happen to my son,' Kathy Laarveld said through tears at a news conference Tuesday. 'I was there. It was done in my home. It was done in my place of work. Now I know a true predator knows how to play the game.' On Tuesday, Keith Laarveld, 33, and 14 other plaintiffs announced a series of settlements with the Chicago archdiocese and a dozen current and former priests, reached since March 2006 and totaling more than $6.65 million. One plaintiff will receive about $2.3 million. Read more

........to be continue

http://www.topix.net/religion/cathol...es-are-settled

[Rhah]

All of you raise very good points, and i'd like to point out quickly that I haven't actually stated my opinion one way or the other on the story, i've only posted it here for discussion.

Now, regarding Islam and child cruelty, i'd like to ask people here, who no doubt have a far better knowledge of Islam than I, if there is a precedent for child cruelty in the Koran, or in Islamic history.
Or, on the other hand, did Mohammed make a point of speaking against hurting children... bearing in mind, we're not talking about sexual abuse (as in the case posted above concerning the Catholic's), but about physical and mental abuse.

[NaptownKnight]

I think the fact that the article says Muslim women shows there was unfair prejudice or racism involved. Also, I honestly went through worse stuff than that, it doesn't sound that serious to me, let them discipline their children.

[MrMofo]

in part, they had to say the women were muslim in order to explain her defense. And the judge's reaction.

[jankren]

Even in Indonesia I NEVER read an article regarding a general crime on the newspaper in which the criminal is identified by his/her religion or race. After reading this article my perception of Europe is just deteriorating even further. (Sigh ...)

[removeduser_487563287433]

Carach's just wrong if he thinks that. It wouldn't sell papers.

[Syron]

They became friends after meeting at the Finsbury Park Mosque in London in 1997.

What a ****ing surprise!


And the "muslim women" thing is legitimate as they used their faith (no matter how one would perceive it as incorrectly used) and culture as part of their defense.


Ferrets, you do realise the Elder Protocols of Zion is one of the most read books in the middle east don't you?

[ajm317]

As others have said, given that they used their faith as an explanation, they kind of had to mention that they were muslim (although it was perhaps not necessary to do so in the third sentence). It's worth noting that the headline just says "Pair Jailed for Chili Torture", it does not mention religion.

[jankren]

As others have said, given that they used their faith as an explanation, they kind of had to mention that they were muslim (although it was perhaps not necessary to do so in the third sentence). It's worth noting that the headline just says "Pair Jailed for Chili Torture", it does not mention religion.

That is right. The newspaper is not at fault because it does not define the criminal using her religion. I made a mistake in my previous comment then. Thanks to the original poster for putting such a misleading title.

As for her use of Islamic tradition as her defense, all I could say is what the heck is wrong with Saudi people and other Muslims who follow similar traditional Islam in every sense? It seems everything they do has to be Islamic. I wouldnt be surprised if they had an Islamic way of watching TV or taking a poo.

Peace,

[MasterAdnin]

I agree that religion is irrelevant in cases such as this. There is no need to include Muslim Women, and honestly, this story is not that big. There are worse things going on in this country than that, yet I feel the media does this just to entice people into thinking that Muslims are barbaric lugs.

Salaam bros,
Adnan

[ajm317]

One does however have to question if this would be newsworthy if the women where christian.

Frankly I don't know enough about the British press to say one way or the other.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

Wow .. What a twist. I agree with Ibn Rushd on this one.

In this case, religion has nothing whatsoever to do with the crime. The extent of bias in this case is beyond belief. It's shameful, really. It's a good way for a cheap newspaper to sell though.