Christianity the most violent religion?

[NaptownKnight]

Historically and currently Islam is looked upon as the violent religion, and there certainly is support for those claims. However, I believe that historically Christianity has been the most violent religion of them all. From the crusades to the holocaust Christians have spread death and destruction across the globe.

The crusades were the beginning of the bloodshed, where hundreds of thousands of Christians participated in several rampages of killing, murder, looting, and destruction. The crusader army completely annihilated several small villages and put the entire city of Jerusalem to the sword. Their own soldiers were killed because the leader of the faith, the Pope, deemed it necessary and that it was God's will.

Massacring Jews has seemed to be the Christian's specialty, they have committed nearly every genocide attempted on the Jews, including the Holocaust. Hitler, a Christian, is responsible for more deaths than any other man or woman in history. Also, the Romans destroyed the temple and scattered the Jewish people all across Europe, also killing many Jews in Israel in the process.

The Spanish Inquisition showed that nobody is safe from Christianity's blood lust. Many completely innocent people were tortured and put to death, all in the name of Jesus Christ. No one was safe from the Inquisitors, not even Kings or rulers. Protestants were not allowed to practice their religion, and many were tortured and killed also.

In modern times, after Hitler, it seems Christianity's blood lust has cooled off, and maybe they have corrected their ways. Don't misunderstand me, currently Islam is the most violent religion, and Christianity is mostly peaceful, but historically Christians have done far more damage than any one else.

[John I Tzimisces]

1. Hitler was not a christian. Also silly to think no one killed more than him. Staliiiiiinnnnnn. Maaaaoooo. Atheists. Oh crap.
2. Neither were the 1st century Romans, as they happened to have some difficulty early on even differentiating Jews and Christians.
3. What is with this idea that the crusades were any different from any other war, asides from the fact these hundreds of thousands of warriors gave up their personal fortunes and often their lives to march across europe to fight?

Use less words like "blood lust" and maybe we'll take you seriously, a thought.

[Ulyaoth]

The holocaust was not Christian initiated, many nazis were pagans, and it wasn't done in the name of Jesus. And Christianity's violence was mild in comparison to other religions. And most of it was to keep control, not to spread like Islam's.

[Wheem]

Was this post serious?

The fact that you said Hitler was Christian, blamed the Holocaust on Christians, and then claimed that Hitler killed more people than anyone else in history, lead me to believe that you're just pulling our leg.

One also shouldn't confuse "violent people" with "violent religion." Just because someone claims the name of God (or gods) when committing an act, doesn't mean it's in accordance with the religious doctrine they supposedly follow.

[NaptownKnight]

It is unknown how many people either Stalin or Mao killed, so don't say they killed more than the fuhrer.

Hitler was Christian, please read a few of these articles
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

EDIT Yes, I was wrong please discount what I said about Romans massacring the Jews, they were still pagan then.

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.

-Adolf Hitler, in his speech in Munich on 12 April 1922
Just a quote to prove my point faster.

[danzig]

It is unknown how many people either Stalin or Mao killed, so don't say they killed more than the fuhrer.

There are estimates and even on the low end it would probably make Hitler blush.

Hitler was Christian, please read a few of these articles
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

Even if we assume for a moment you are right he is a Christian, he didnt conquer and commit acts of genocide in the name of god. You may as well say he did it for small, austrian men with facial hair because none of these things factored into it. Also lets say he was a christian, he didnt live by christian ideals right? Hence he is no more an indication of Christianity then an Islamic terrorist is of Islam.

[NaptownKnight]

There are estimates and even on the low end it would probably make Hitler blush.



Even if we assume for a moment you are right he is a Christian, he didnt conquer and commit acts of genocide in the name of god. You may as well say he did it for small, austrian men with facial hair because none of these things factored into it. Also lets say he was a christian, he didnt live by christian ideals right? Hence he is no more an indication of Christianity then an Islamic terrorist is of Islam.

Maybe you didn't read one of the articles on that page.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitlerchristian.htm

An excerpt:

"Many Christians have attempted to destroy Hitler's claimed Christianity by pointing out that his actions did not appear Christian-like (whatever that means). Therefore, so the hypothesis goes, no "true" Christian would cause "evil" deeds. But again, the Bible does not define Christianity in terms of deeds regardless of how good or evil they seem. Yet it came through his very deeds that Hitler confessed his work for the Lord: Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
-Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hitler's work of the Lord only agrees with Biblical scripture: And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
-Colossians 3:17

Hitler not only believed in Jesus (which alone made him a Christian) but his work against the Jews came straight from Christian theological reasoning just as had many Christian saints of the past. His Christian expressions of "Lord God," "Living Christ," and "Lord and Savior" indicates his acknowledgement of Jesus as God and his acceptance of a resurrected Christ (for what else can "Living" and "Savior" mean except from a resurrected state?). Hitler also believed in the supernatural concept of life after death. In Mein Kampf he wrote, "a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form."

Killing the Jews and creating an empire were Hitler's two goals, and one of them was religiously motivated.

[danzig]

Maybe you didn't read one of the articles on that page.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitlerchristian.htm

When you find a source that doesnt have a objective/goal to combat religion then we can talk until then dont waste my time be asking me to read something written by someone named Jim Walker who's views and opinions are about as valid as any unknown poster on TWC.

Ill end by saying even if he was a Christian...so what. One man does not define a religion, years have been spent rightfully separated Islam from Bin Laden and you want to go back and reverse and rehash nonsense conclusions. Hitler was not a christian for the simple fact nothing he did was christian like, he could claim he was you could assert he was it doesnt make him one and even if it did it has no baring on the religion itself since he is one man. Christianity in the end is defined by ONE man, the man/myth whatever you believe it was named for...that is the bar in which to compare people with regards to the religion not some mad power hungry dictator.

[infernocanuck]

Sorry, I haven't read throughout this entire thread, but I thought i'd just have a small comment regarding a much earlier quote on this thread:

Hitler was Christian, please read a few of these articles
http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

As an Ancient Chinese saying goes: "If you believe everything you read... don't read."

[NaptownKnight]

Sorry, I haven't read throughout this entire thread, but I thought i'd just have a small comment regarding a much earlier quote on this thread:



As an Ancient Chinese saying goes: "If you believe everything you read... don't read."

Of course, and everything from any source on the web should be taken with a grain of salt, especially from that site. However, that site offers up quotes, dated and all, that Hitler actually said, and another site I have posted has shown many Christians at Nazi rallies or giving the Nazi Salute.

[Luftwaffels]

One common misconception that people have when trying to label religions as "violent" or "worst" is the fact that you cannot blame the religion itself for members of that religion who don't follow the teachings of said religion.

[NaptownKnight]

One common misconception that people have when trying to label religions as "violent" or "worst" is the fact that you cannot blame the religion itself for members of that religion who don't follow the teachings of said religion.

But the teachings of Christianity are very violent. In fact, the words "war" and "kill" are mentioned more in the bible than any other holy scripture.

[Wheem]

If I called myself a Muslim, then ate a ham sandwich, had non-marital sex, and broke any number other core rules of the religion, what would that make me?

Just because someone claims the name of a religion to try and garner support from followers of that religion, does not mean they actually follow even the basic tenets.

[NaptownKnight]

If I called myself a Muslim, then ate a ham sandwich, had non-marital sex, and broke any number other core rules of the religion, what would that make me?

Just because someone claims the name of a religion to try and garner support from followers of that religion, does not mean they actually follow even the basic tenets.

But Hitler lived according to the book, mostly.

Evidence

[Luftwaffels]

Hitler delved into the occult, ordered the killings of millions, and made war upon his neighbors, even killing many priests who spoke out against the Nazis.

Yeah, he was sure a great Christian.

[Imperator Sulla]

NaptownKnight, showing a picture of Hitler walking out of a church proves nothing but the fact that Hitler once upon a time walked out of a church. Read all the other posts. Hitler used Cristianity and his interpetation of it as an excuse, it is not without reason many people call him the anti-christ. Jezus Himself said there would be people like Hitler who would claim to do Gods will out of selfinterests and would actualy be serving satan. I would sooner put the holocaust in the "satan's bidding" category, Loving God and loving your fellowman like yourself(to be clear, this means NO killing) in the "serving God" category. Jezus Himself said that Christians should love and forgive their enemies and pray for their salvation (again Gassing people does not fit the description). Hitler was NOT a christian, he did exactly the opposite of what a christian should do, hence anti-christ

[NaptownKnight]

NaptownKnight, showing a picture of Hitler walking out of a church proves nothing but the fact that Hitler once upon a time walked out of a church. Read all the other posts. Hitler used Cristianity and his interpetation of it as an excuse, it is not without reason many people call him the anti-christ. Jezus Himself said there would be people like Hitler who would claim to do Gods will out of selfinterests and would actualy be serving satan. I would sooner put the holocaust in the "satan's bidding" category, Loving God and loving your fellowman like yourself(to be clear, this means NO killing) in the "serving God" category. Jezus Himself said that Christians should love and forgive their enemies and pray for their salvation (again Gassing people does not fit the description). Hitler was NOT a christian, he did exactly the opposite of what a christian should do, hence anti-christ

Popes used to kill thousands. Are you going to tell me they weren't Christians just because they killed people? The 9/11 attacks were very anti-Islam, but we still call the perpetrators Muslim.

[MasterAdnin]

Popes used to kill thousands. Are you going to tell me they weren't Christians just because they killed people? The 9/11 attacks were very anti-Islam, but we still call the perpetrators Muslim.

But the fact of the matter is that they contradicted their religions, and therefore acted un-Christian and un-Islamic, therefor we must question, by not following their religion, are they truly Muslim or Christian?

Once again, anyone can call themselves Christian or Muslim, but it is through their actions that they should be recognized as either Christian or Muslim, and in my view, anyone who commits atrocities are neither Christian, Muslim, or pious in general.

Salaam bros,
Adnan

[Carach]

The 9/11 attacks were very anti-Islam, but we still call the perpetrators Muslim.

yet somehow they still get the admiration of millions of muslims across the world (including all those "religious" clerics and top leaders within the muslim world, funnily enough..)

[NaptownKnight]

yet somehow they still get the admiration of millions of muslims across the world (including all those "religious" clerics and top leaders within the muslim world, funnily enough..)

You honestly believe that? Most Muslims denounce the 9/11 attacks.