why is the world obsessed with the jewish faith

[Chaigidel]

christianity and islam just cults of judaism?

I mean they all have the same key god, the same key progenitor, similar hierarchy with angels and devils

and all of this was taken froom the jews so why

why did the jewish religion become the basis for islam and christianity? why are people so focused on a relatively small but dedicated religious practice?


so why the focus on jews?

[Blau&Gruen]

What do you mean with obsessed?

[Yosemite]

Take a look at the bilble, quran and torah and see the differences.

[Chaigidel]

yes i see the differences-- and by obsessed I mean two cultures the west and the mideast who openly abused and hated jews for years --- why would these two cultures essentially fall into cults of jewish faith-- because they are all based on the original torah--- all the other books

I know there are differences now its been 2000 and 1400 years respectively but the fact remains that the essence of each religion is found within judaism

so why did judaism influence those faiths? why was it so much more gravitational than keeping the older pagan traditions?

[Captain Arrrgh!]

Sorry to be the 400 pound gorilla scratching his balls in the room, but we must also delineate between those who follow the Torah, and those who follow the Talmud. Many Christians and Muslems would be surprised, to use an understatement, at what the talmud has to say regarding Jesus.

[Blau&Gruen]

@chaigal
Judaism originiates in the mideast.

[Yosemite]

yes i see the differences-- and by obsessed I mean two cultures the west and the mideast who openly abused and hated jews for years --- why would these two cultures essentially fall into cults of jewish faith-- because they are all based on the original torah--- all the other books

I know there are differences now its been 2000 and 1400 years respectively but the fact remains that the essence of each religion is found within judaism

so why did judaism influence those faiths? why was it so much more gravitational than keeping the older pagan traditions?

Apparently you don't believe that there have been prophets, revelations, and other divine stuff like that.

So why bother explaining that to you, when apparently you need some proof of the existance of God.

Wrong?

[Chaigidel]

so its just location?---

yes the Talmud is not the Torah though, the Talmud is ever growing because its a collection of all the jewish rabbis teachings and musings--- its an incredibly huge amount of information and I have no doubt you will find almost every view with in it.

but still the question remains--- it has to be more than location

why would this small ethnic groups religion be the vehicle of choice for future religions

[Captain Arrrgh!]

This is going to be uncomfortable for a lot of people, but even though Jesus taught the Torah, he was completely at odds with the Jewish community, thus their demanding for his demise. Judaism is still not open to goyim, and even those who wish to convert to Judaism undergo a rigorous screening process. If and when they are accepted, they change their surname, but the surname indicates that they are former goyim and have converted.

[Blau&Gruen]

@Captain Arrrgh!
That is true grosso modo. But why should someone at all convert to anything?

[Captain Arrrgh!]

@Captain Arrrgh!
That is true. But why should someone at all convert to anything?

You tease me, Abraham. I wish I had more time atm, but I really must get back to work.
Briefly, because they find within themselves that a certain religion or belief is the way. Now, if someone truely believes that a particular religion is the way, a screen process won't really matter, as their firm belief would, normally, be enough to see them through.
I can't really argue with the the OP, though. What I want to highlight, however is that Christianity and Islam are valid on their own legs.
Sorry friends, gotta go. Everyone take care.

[LSJ]

The reason Judaism is so well known even as a minor faith of the world is that Christianity and Islam were based upon it (although quite different). Why they were based off of it will never be known, but Islam and Christianity started out as minor cult faiths, and only became large religions after two important events.

Christianity was a faith held by slaves in the eastern Roman Empire. It was just a cult, and was treated as one until Roman soldiers brought the faith into Italy, and the Emperor Constantine's liking of Christianity made it accepted in the Roman empire, and then later the state religion.
Obviously, being the faith of the empire which controlled almost all of Europe, Asia Minor, and North Africa had a big effect on the world. If that did not happen, Christianity would be a slave cult and without any major faith being related to Judaism, it would go relatively unknown.

Islam was also a minor cult religion, which gained popularity with Arabs in a few villages in the Arabia. Had it not been for the oppression of the Muslims and their following war against Mecca, Islam would have stayed a cult. After the capture of the oppressors' cities, the successors of Mohammed started an era of expansion in which their conquered North Africa, Arabia, Persia, Mesopotamia, and eventually Iberia. Having control over such a large area made Islam a big religion in the world.

It is only because the two dominant religions of those regions are related to Judaism that it is well known, and it is only because of the adoption of Christianity by Romans, and the fight with Mecca that the two cults related to Judaism became so popular. Now, because Europe, east Asia, and north Africa were so heavily influenced by two now-large similar religions based off of Judaism, it became a well known religion, despite its small following compared to Islam and Christianity.

[Chaigidel]

so is it the exclusivity ?

you know you make your own club because nobody would let you into that one ?

good point on jesus though, the prophets of course were the source of the religion, but why is the tradition of Prophets only found in the judaic related faiths

the buddha wasnt a prophet he was an enlightened soul could be argued to be the same thing but still ----

[Blau&Gruen]

so is it the exclusivity ?

No, it is history.

[mocker]

What separates the faiths of Abraham from the rest is the intolerance toward other beliefs.
Other religions, such as Norse Åsatro, died out because it preached tolerance of other cultures instead of burning unbelievers alive who would not accept God.

Sad but true,

[Chaigidel]

I can accept that the reason the obsession with the judaic faith comes from the "power" of the prophets--- I do believe many of them lived and did extraordinary things, I have no clue as to how many actually had contact with the one true god so to speak.

I am never convinced of anything and I am discussing ancient history so no I dont hope for proof i just want to know what people think about the reasons behind it all--- I personally like darkprophets explanation so far :O

[Yosemite]

Ok so just think one second that there is a God. Maybe he just sent down all these revelations because at each steps, God changed the holy book so that it fits the new times, that it becomes perfected? Not necessarily some men copying some stuff from the older holy books.

The islam you see in the middle east isn't made only of Quran, it takes also laws that are outside of the Quran. This brings laws such as stonning to death for adulters or stonning for apostasy being here. While it's not in the Quran.

These laws comes from hadiths, and more laws are being taken from these hadiths for the society. While only the Quran should be taken as a source of law in a true islamic society.

Someone should submit to God, not enjoin a religion, this someone should follow what is in the holy book, but this holy book has to be without errors right? There shouldn't be any contradiction in it, and all of the laws in it should make sense. And the holy book is a guide for the misguided, this means the holy book should be perfect.

So far people have found contradictions in the Quran, but using the traductions only. And if you were a little bit interrested in this stuff, you'd know that there are a ******** of traductions taken as true by the majority.
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[Hells Bells]

its the jewish control of the media, its all a big conspiracy. In asia we dont know wtf u mean by jews, you mean people who will rip you off and take your money? we have those but we call them koreans.

[Amorphos]

dont know if this has been said but...

i think it all boils down to jesus, without him judaism would be a minor religion and islam would not exist. its the son of god thing, people like leaders and one whom is the son of god - king of kings, is the ultimate example to follow.

[Yosemite]

dont know if this has been said but...

i think it all boils down to jesus, without him judaism would be a minor religion and islam would not exist. its the son of god thing, people like leaders and one whom is the son of god - king of kings, is the ultimate example to follow.

How would Islam not exist without Jesus? Christians have been saying for years that he is the son of god or god himself, while in the Quran, you won't find anything like that.

If Islam was a copy of christianity, at least it would have kept the "key tenets" of christianity, right?