Religion religion religion

[Chaigidel]

ok while typing another post i realized this would be a good topic for discussion

--the religion of the romans was almost completely absorbed by christianity, many saints were gods, and many of the godly attributes went to christian saints--- now as the church continued they didnt really seem to attempt to remove the original pagan influences hence the similar holy days especially the day of Sol Invictus still a holiday in many modern country----

so could we say that the romans actually had a very successful religion that made a evolutionary step into christianity--- or did christianity assimilate the old religion without much intent

and on a deeper point why do monotheistic religions especially the big two islam and christianity seem so focused on conversion unlike almost every other religion on earth which does not try to earn converts (well everyone trys to get converts but im sure you know what I mean :O)

now you could say almost the EXACT same thing happened to the animistic/shamanistic/pagan religion of the arabian penninsula --there is almost no god left out from the change from the moon cult, the vulture worshipper---etc all the tribal religions of the time came into islam, the same way all of the roman religion went into christianity

so would we call this the evolution of religion or the war between thought?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Christianity actually influenced the Roman religion, and Roman cults, such as the cult of Mithras influenced Christianity. Also Persian cults, Asian cults. It's very complicated, makes no sense, and thoroughly embarrasses modern Christians.

[Hallequin]

Christianity actually influenced the Roman religion, and Roman cults, such as the cult of Mithras influenced Christianity. Also Persian cults, Asian cults. It's very complicated, makes no sense, and thoroughly embarrasses modern Christians.

You're talking of Christianity as a whole, yet it was far from ever being a whole. And no, modern Christians (or the protestant ones) have no reason to be embarrassed, because they didn't keep any of those traditions or influences.

[Chaigidel]

I dont see why it would be embarrassing because you could say reasonably that the collection of thoughts that gathered on the forum of the old days when religions and cults mixed, it developed through both circumstance and design into two mega religions-- religions that shaped huge parts of this world--- I think it was the natural progression of our thought, we gathered all the most sound ideas, for religion , and it gave us a society or rather two large ones that fight each other all the time

but yes its all terrible complicated but I think a rich and fascinating history
I mean both religions retain angels , agents that existed only in Summerian religion, the whole idea of the so called nephilim is a summerian/babylonian one just like noah, but this came from the basis on judaism--- thats another thing--- why did two major groups of people attach themselves to the jews?

why did two religions design to be results of Jewish Tradition?--- jewish tradition itself was heavily influenced by its time in the central mideast-- the magic of the chaldee, the stories of the babylonians, the tree of life mystic idea is a persian one :O

so another key question why the jews? why not zoroasterians?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Merry Christmas.

[Hallequin]

So what? Though the date of Christmas is the same of a pagan celebration's, its meaning has nothing to do with it, and the date was only chosen cause the actual date of the birth of Jesus wasn't known.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Easter egg?

[Chaigidel]

the dates of almost all the holidays of christianity and islam are based on pagan traditional holidays-- days dedicated to worshipping the moon sun and stars ( trees and fields too )

[removeduser_487563287433]

Which is a far nicer faith that makes it very difficult to kill people over.

[Chaigidel]

actually the cult of diana had some of the most brutal rituals ever done in the name of a god --- the so called cult of diana was actually much older one from the crimean penninsula--- its thought that the greek diana was formed from this early moon goddess who demanded living sacrifice-- the aztecs thought that living sacrifice was necessary to keep the light of the sun, and still others thought blood was related to rain --- violence and brutality is inherently human and so is throughout all religions

[removeduser_487563287433]

Not all.

[Zenith Darksea]

--the religion of the romans was almost completely absorbed by christianity, many saints were gods, and many of the godly attributes went to christian saints--- now as the church continued they didnt really seem to attempt to remove the original pagan influences

Wrong, wrong, wrong, all wrong... The saints were not gods, and the church did remove pagan influences. The reason feast days were often placed on pagan feast days was 1. convenience 2. suppressing the pagan feasts.

or did christianity assimilate the old religion without much intent

It didn't.

[Chaigidel]

I cant remember them offhand and am too lazy to go looking but many saints are transmuted gods plain and simple its undeniable-- many angels as well , there is nothing bad or wrong about it, it just is. and saints took on the attributes of gods like the patron saint of animals, the saint of travel, the saints of war, the saints of harvest

jesus himself shares all the attributes of Augustus Ceasar Son of God Julius Ceasar(Venus Incarnate)-- Venus the morning star became related to the debil --- jesus took the mantle of augustus son of god, also of osiris the reborn, attis, adonis, bacchus, Dionysius all these gods ressurrected, in the case of Osiris he was killed by the wicked ones and remade by Isis, and became chief among the gods but was a man first --- many doubt that jesus was even originally attributed with these things it is more likely he was a wise rabbi who was turned into a religion by evil men. when he himself sought no faith based upon him but wanted people to love the one true god and to love each other.( opinion of course ) but the facts remain about the other religions and dont forget the mithras cult whose attributes for jesus fit exactly the miracles attributed to him -- they existed well before christ---- not only that old gods i cant remember which perhaps bacchus walked on water, when he was doubted to be a god -- etc etc the miracles are constants in religion jesus is a renewal of much older ways--- same for islam and allah and all his djinn angels etc,these are a natural evolution of religious thought-- a conglomeration -- christianity of the old germanic/egyptian/greek/roman/Semitic/(slavic in the case of orthodoxy) religions all melded Islam is merely Persian/Arab/Semitic gods reformed (proally egyptian too)