must all things come to an end?

[Amorphos]

must all things come to an end?

that is everything you can possibly think of, the universe, all universes, existence itself, god [if you think he is in any way], you, the soul, mind...

basically must all states end?


oops can someone move this to ethos?

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[Seleucus I Nicator]

I don't think existance can cease to exist. I have no real arguement, since I don't think any could be gathered, but I just have a hard time believing it could be possible.

And I think that when something ends (e.g. one's life), it will continue to exist in a different state.

[Amorphos]

seleucus, hi
it seams things tend to change but continue yes, but eventually i would think that like the universe will end everything will. imo even infinity will cease as it is a state comparative to existence, when there is nothing left to compare to then what is there i.e. what is there when and if all things did end?

rockstone, hi and thanks for the rep

it seams to me that eventually all cycles must end too!? there is little difference between a set and sets, no matter how many parts you have there is a limit, they cannot continue eternally as that would be an infinity paradox.

edit and update; can the universe exist forever?

even though everything in it is limited, energy itself is not, it is conserved so there is always the same amount - even at the ‘beginning’/’end’. however this being so, how can it actually begin or end as it remains the same no matter what occurs in its forms and structure, thus even if finite in size it would be eternally finite i.e. always remaining the same exact amount.
this can be seen as an eternal balance between the infinitesimal point and infinity, if we here imagine that the conserved amount is somehow between the two eternals!

i suppose this is like asking can energy ever stop, decrease, increase or change at all?

[TAG]

Every end is a new beginning...

[Blau&Gruen]

All ends end.

[Rockstone]

Regarding the universe, science isn't sure. Either it will be the big freeze (universe keeps expanding forever) or the big crush (collapses in on itself). I hope for the latter. That way there can be a cycle. After the big crush, yet another big bang (which makes you wonder how many big bangs there were before the this one that happend 15 billion years ago).

As for everything else, there is a cycle. Birth, living, death. Essentially a very sad cycle and I think you will find that it goes for just about everything. Lives (and with them the afore mentioned God), dinosaurs, countries, planets, stars... What have you. Yes, everything must come to an end. That is the way it is supposed to be and I think its good.

The real value comes from the living. The way someone or something dies is just a reflection on how he lived. And yes, death is the end. It is making room for something new. Not necessarily better, just different. And thats okay.

Btw. Good threat, this one takes the philosopher out of me (just prior to going to sleep). +rep

[LoZz]

well yes, we all die, so everything we know and do will end.

[Cluny the Scourge]

What does it matter if all things end or not? You'll be wormbait for hundreds of trillions of years before it even becomes a live issue.

[Francisco Montana]

Moved to the Ethos (although Athenaeum may have sufficed as well.) ~ Lord Gruffles

[Irishman]

All conditioned things end. It is a fact of life. I do not believe that the universe (in any form- singularity, energy, or expansion) is conditioned, but I may be wrong.

[Thanatos]

As to regards this universe, yes. It was made to be that way

[Chaigidel]

I think all things end, but perhaps that is because I can only see existence with end around me, perhaps something is eternal "god" so to speak but even though I believe deeply in god im not sure that its existence is permanent in the state of our universe--im sure even god must move on to something else --(but im biased)

I think the current theory of how the universe will end is that it will just eventually be a neutral ever expanding collection of the same basic particles and even the smallest particles will eventually be so far away from each other that no reactions are possible.

but its all guesses :O

[Time Commander Bob]

must all things come to an end?

that is everything you can possibly think of, the universe, all universes, existence itself, god [if you think he is in any way], you, the soul, mind...

basically must all states end?

The (or possibly our?) universe: I don't think scientists know how the universe will end, but advancements in understanding dark energy and a clearer picture of what happened after the Big Bang could provide some answers.
Energy cannot be made or destroyed, so it must stay in some form. Whether or not the form it stays in makes life possible is the real issue.
So, I think that the universe will not "end" but could quite possibly become an inhospitable enviroment for life.

As for the soul, I think there is no such thing so I can't really comment about something imaginary ending.

[Slime]

I don't think all things must end eventually, but I believe they have the tendency to do so.

[chris_uk_83]

The human mind finds it impossible to imagine infinity, therefore we cannot concieve of a universe that has always been and will always continue. We think things must have a beginning and an end, however far away each of those may be.

Personally I don't know, I also don't think I'll find out in my lifetime, which is a shame really and is what is driving my quest for eternal life.

[basics]

There are two sources of information in answer to the question, them being science and God. Now I put science first because most of the postings are from people more into science than they are to God.

Generally speaking it is acknowledged that eventually we will have to find another planet to live on because this one and it's sun is going to be destroyed the method still argued over. This is the generalised opinion of the scientific community. What to do about it, that's only answered by the fact that we humans in that field are still only clinging to the first rung of the ladder.

On the other hand God gives us written record not only that things will end but why. Not only that, He tells us certain other things that science cannot answer, the authenticity of the spirit and soul. The good news is that there is another place already waiting to be fully occupied the conditions of which is to believe God rather than science. Now in terms of the ladder it means a jump from the first rung to the very top where reception already awaits.

Must it happen as the writer asks? Yes it does, in God's case to restore all things the way that He intended from the very beginning, even before He made the universe. With God there is a future and although science agrees that some catastrophe will occur it has no answer to any future.

[Amorphos]

chia, hi

its an interesting thought as to what exactly would that end state be?
would it not contain all things...

is it the exact same entity as what was before all existences? we may say that there was no before right, but it is to me the same as asking is there an end. you see if there is an ‘end state’, then that is all there is - nothing else whatsoever. it is not a far stretch of the mind to say that the end state is outside of time and existence - so by what can it be defined as only being after!? if we look beyond linear perception it is plain to see that the beginning state and end state are the very same. we may then ask; if it is that to which all things arise and all things return/end then it is everything as a oneness...

so i ask everyone; what is the end state?

time commander bob

Energy cannot be made or destroyed, so it must stay in some form

excellent point! perhaps when energy is polarised it is finite/quantum, however when it is not then surely it is dimensionless? thus so as to avoid an infinity paradox we may presume that there is a way that all energy can become depolarised [neutral], by this or some other means it to would cease to exist.
secondly, if particle become ever more spread out across the universe, then surely the weak and strong nuclear forces which hold them together will depreciate? thence all would dissolve into nothing.
it has to in some way doesn’t it?

basics,

as for god, well ‘he’ could be the end state, although that would in my mind be as different to the general idea of god as we can get. probably something more attuned to oriental or druidic thinking.

but it could be something completely different and when i say; it is all things, we imagine that as everything we are, life being mind etc, however all of these are secondary states resultant of the manifest and existent world.

[Chaigidel]

well I see it like this ---- we live as our concept of identity-- we may exist in a body or as a body, with a mind which processes and produces patterns from the massive amounts of information that comes in, we base ourselves from the relation between these two things and mediate them with decisions I suppose

so that being said--- we know the body dies, so we can assume no energy from the body goes anywhere save to breakdown-- maybe not just assumption, the mind being based within the body the same can be said-- now the central question becomes are we Communicating with something else using our organism, so to speak the universal unconscious--- from this place the choices are made etc etc all a bit arcane--- but even if we do return to a universal consciousness we will lose all concept of I or ourselves or who we cared about or what things meant to us--- since our essence will be reunited with the essence of all things we will cease to be ourselves in any sense and that will be blended into the overall universal experience

so even if there is a god there is no after life as you--- your ego must die, as must your flesh. whether you approach a throne or oblivion i think its the same death is death

again with all the things going on there could be energy at work we dont yet percieve which would reveal some kind of universal connection, and a "soul"