I support this all the way. In fact, if we could gather up the titles that Regents would assume in each faction, I'd be in the CNP's debts (would make for an excellent realistic addition to BBB)
I support this all the way. In fact, if we could gather up the titles that Regents would assume in each faction, I'd be in the CNP's debts (would make for an excellent realistic addition to BBB)
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Thanks Otark, now just the Italians left.
Will add that to the opening post Pnutmaster. See what we get. One problem is that some factions wouldn't really have regents, if the direct heir was too young, a mature relation would be made leader, the Scots come to mind.
Sicilian Vespers PMed me the titles for the three Italian factions, so the CNP part of it has been finished in record time.
Will change the title a bit to encourage people to come and give the names of regents.
The title for regent for the English would be either Protector or Lord Protector, personally I'd go with the former.
And gentlemen in England, now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
Shakespeare - Henry V at Agincourt
Excellent work !
repman
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eastern roman/byzantine titles append after one of the names, like their latin counterparts. only informal titles go before. compare:
a "kyr(ios) alexios" = a "lord/sir alexius", but
"alexios a' komnenos basileus" = "emperor alexius comenus i"
"papa benedictus"
"benedictus pontifex maximus"
compare also:
"queen elizabeth" vs. "elizabeth regina"
generally, you have first name, number, family name and/or epithet followed by dignity/title; or last name/epithet, dignity, first name (depending on emphasis or case)
"hyios batatzou despotou theodorou" = "son of despot theodorus batatzes"
lately in modern greek some follow the "king/queen/prince x" formula
steph
p.s. for most of the time period considered, "despotes" is the title of the next-in-line.
Last edited by iostephanos; January 10, 2008 at 06:38 PM.
Actually, the title Dauphin was only used from 1349 onwards. But since there seems to be no equivalent before that period (unless you are happy with "Prince héritier"), Dauphin sounds nicerFrance
King - Roi
Prince - Dauphin
Regent - Régent
HRE
King - Kaiser
Prince - Prinz
Regent - Reichsvikar
French for regent is Régent. I've also heard of the title "Lieutenant du royaume", but it's possible that this was only used for (the future) Charles V.
The HRE used the title Reichsvikar for regent.
Byzantium
King - Basileus
Prince - Sebastokrator or Despotes
Regent - Basileopator *
* Rhomanos A' Lakapenos used this term while regent for Konstantinos Z'
steph
Not Kaisar?
There didn't seem to be any standard name for heir for the Byzantines.
Personally, I always found Kaisar a bit odd...
[edit]Sorry, I thought you meant Kaisar in the sense of "emperor". Disregard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basileus
Under Roman rule, the term basileus, as a generic designation for a sovereign monarch, came to be used (at first informally) to designate the Roman Emperor. The usage had become standard by the reign of Constantine the Great. [...]
This use of the word is the result of a gradual development — when the Romans had originally conquered the Mediterranean, the imperial title Caesar Augustus was initially translated as Kaisar Sebastos or Kaisar Augoustos. Imperator, another standard imperial title (and the origin of our "emperor"), was translated as Autokratōr. Interestingly, "BASILEUS" was initially stamped on Byzantine coins (in lieu of the standard Latin abbreviations "C.IMP." for "Caesar Imperator") in Latin script. Then, Latin characters began to be gradually replaced by Greek ones and only somewhat later was the Byzantine Greek script (i.e. "BACIΛEVS" or "BACIΛEYS") used throughout.
it's been said that primogeniture wasn't too well established in the roman world, i couldn't really tell you. it seems at times an augustus might name a caesar, only to be followed by a general usurping power.
anyway, when alexius created sebastokrator, kaisar dropped down a notch. when manuel created despotes, both sebastokrator and kaisar dropped. so my approach was to consider the title held immediately before becoming emperor, which in the case of family was sebastokrator, then despotes.
for example, alexius' son was a sebastokrator; in the later years, to be named despot of morea meant that one was expected to be the next emperor.
steph
Makes sense.
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Last edited by Euphoria.Aus; June 04, 2010 at 11:22 PM.
Ah, I love expanded.txt
Just a suggestion for those doing their own tweaking - the Byzantine heir should be labelled 'Symbasileus' which is 'Co-Emperor'. Byzantine emperors, whenever the opportunity presented itself, tended to crown their heirs as Co-Emperors to secure their succession. However, before heirs were available the Co-Emperor could be anyone...which suits TW's odd heir nominations.
By the time frame of the early campaign (to say nothing of Late) Kaisar had already been relegated to a relatively minor title and no longer denoted the heir-apparent.
Last edited by Gnostiko; December 20, 2008 at 01:19 PM.
Yeah, it will be a great addition if implemented in the game!