Armenians

**sicarius** · May 31, 2007, 07:20 AM

why are the armenians in this mod christians?

**SicilianVespers** · May 31, 2007, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by sicarius

why are the armenians in this mod christians?

The Armenian Kingdom in Kilikia was a Christian state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenia...dom_of_Cilicia

**IrAr** · May 31, 2007, 11:33 AM

Because we have been for about 1700 years. Why not?

**ARMENIOS** · May 31, 2007, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by sicarius

why are the armenians in this mod christians?

LOL, plaese tell me that this thread/posting was just a joke

BTW you just made my day

**Ermeni** · May 31, 2007, 05:17 PM

either this post was just ignorant or it was a joke looool........

Armenians = CHRISTIANS.....

**sicarius** · June 01, 2007, 06:07 AM

no jokes. to be honest i though the armenians were a roman period faction not medieval. and since they are an eastern country, and within turkey, i guess they would have been muslim

**SicilianVespers** · June 01, 2007, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by Ermeni

either this post was just ignorant or it was a joke looool........

Armenians = CHRISTIANS.....

Actually, wasn't there an Armenian Emirate? I forget the name.

**Ermeni** · June 01, 2007, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by SicilianVespers

Actually, wasn't there an Armenian Emirate? I forget the name.

never heard of this....there could have been a Muslim Turkish, Kurdish emirate within the Armenian sphere but a Armenian Muslim emirate run by Armenians seems seems very far away for me.....of course there where muslim armenians......the de facto leader of the fatimids the grand vizier al afdal was a armenian muslim......but over all the armenian people is christian.....

**SicilianVespers** · June 01, 2007, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Ermeni

never heard of this....there could have been a Muslim Turkish, Kurdish emirate within the Armenian sphere but a Armenian Muslim emirate run by Armenians seems seems very far away for me.....of course there where muslim armenians......the de facto leader of the fatimids the grand vizier al afdal was a armenian muslim......but over all the armenian people is christian.....

I think you are probably right about this. It was probably a Kurdish or Turkish Emirate with some Armenian converts.

Sicarius, Armenia was the first nation to adopt Christianity.

**sicarius** · June 01, 2007, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by SicilianVespers

I think you are probably right about this. It was probably a Kurdish or Turkish Emirate with some Armenian converts.

Sicarius, Armenia was the first nation to adopt Christianity.

muhammads convertion spread from egypt, northwards all the way to instanbul. is Kilikia we know today part of turkey?

**Reaper** · June 01, 2007, 10:06 AM

Are you talking about the Shah-Armen Emirate, which was a Kurdish Emirate based around the Van area?

After the Arab conquest of Armenia, the country was ruled by Ostikans. I guess they're kind of like Emirs. Some of them were ethnic Armenian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostikan

Siciarus, as you can see, we exist to this day.

We were in fact the first ones to adopt Christianity as a state religion in 301 AD.

The reason why Armenia is on the shores of the mediterranean in this time period is that Armenian princes fleeing from Byzantine and Seljuk invasions established a state in a more place that they considered more promising.

**SicilianVespers** · June 01, 2007, 08:46 PM

sicarius,
You should think of the Kingdom of Armenia in this mod, as sort of a Crusader state. They had close relations with Cyprus and Antioch.

**Drtad** · June 01, 2007, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by SicilianVespers

sicarius,
You should think of the Kingdom of Armenia in this mod, as sort of a Crusader state. They had close relations with Cyprus and Antioch.

I wouldn't say that, that'll make him think that Armenians in general are Muslim. And anyway, unless you call conquering and vassalizing a close relationship, I don't think Armenia and Antioch were very friendly until Armenia conquered and vassalized it of course. However Cyprus was close with Armenia. Anyway, what you need to know Sicarius is that Armenians were not Muslim, but Armenian Orthodox Christian and still are to this day.

**sicarius** · June 02, 2007, 05:13 AM

i guess its good thing that turkey is a western country then

**SicilianVespers** · June 02, 2007, 06:12 AM

Originally Posted by Drtad

I don't think Armenia and Antioch were very friendly until Armenia conquered and vassalized it of course.

That's what I meant

**Rex Armeniae** · September 09, 2007, 03:46 PM

rofl, no offense but this is the most ignorant piece i've read today

Armenians were the first people, first Nation! To adopt christianity. So go and hang yourself before calling armenians muslim. After all those invasions of armenian lands, after all that armenians never gave up their faith.

**DaVinci** · September 09, 2007, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by King Arsen

rofl, no offense but this is the most ignorant piece i've read today

Armenians were the first people, first Nation! To adopt christianity. So go and hang yourself before calling armenians muslim. After all those invasions of armenian lands, after all that armenians never gave up their faith.

First, you didn't make clear to whom your post is referred, and second your post is pretty clumsy, and here in this subforum is no place for any nationalistic pride or something like that -the 'no offense' makes no sense if you use such a terminology (bold) in the next moment.

Consider, TWC is full of uneducated pc-game consumers, might be little childs or whatever, who eventually heard about a folk with the name Armenians, and know nothing of ancient history.

**Rex Armeniae** · September 10, 2007, 03:21 PM

Alright, my bad.
I was referring to the OP.

**Aeneas Veneratio** · September 29, 2007, 05:10 PM

OP, read from the chapter Christianized Arsacid Dynasty from this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...rsacid_dynasty

Until the Battle of Manzikert (in 1071) and the descend of the Byzantine Empire's influence and territorial/military power in Eastern Anatolia the people there were mostly Orthodox.