Communism

[Earl of Rochester]

hopefully human beings will become more drone like as time goes on simply to survive

Dear God, I can't imagine why you would hope that everything that is good about us would disappear.

[Chaigidel]

we get all the good stuff out then make quantum computers do all our thinking ---- bam then we wring out the individuality and proceed according to the will of our man made god

[Wheem]

The only way Communism could possibly exist (in the real world) without a government, is in a very tiny community where everyone agrees that they want to be communists.

It's silly to think that so-called "true communism" can ever actually exist, or that it should even be strived for.

Take away my economic freedom so we can stifle creativity, individualism, and support lazy crackheads/drunks/whoever else? No thanks. Down with the welfare state, long live capitalism

[Princeps]

Soviet communism was state capitalist oligarchy, not really communism.

[NaptownKnight]

The only way Communism could possibly exist (in the real world) without a government, is in a very tiny community where everyone agrees that they want to be communists.

It's silly to think that so-called "true communism" can ever actually exist, or that it should even be strived for.

Take away my economic freedom so we can stifle creativity, individualism, and support lazy crackheads/drunks/whoever else? No thanks. Down with the welfare state, long live capitalism

Why should we not strive for Communism, it is after all a world full of peace and equality, the complete opposite of today. That's like telling something not to strive for heaven and just settle for hell.

[enoch]

engels was a god
then a follower

marx was a wannabe
then a god

trotsky was a trickster bard
then a mexican torso

Ho Chi was a honest to goodness reformer

Mao was a power hungry administrative genius

Lenin was a single minded fool

and Stalin still ****** scares me

as far as the SA commies go
unimpressed

as a general rule, if college kids think you are cool aka Che
then you're not

[Enemy of the State]

It's just a lie. Prehaps it's not that different from capitalism, smarter people are taking advantage of stupider ones. Making everyone poor. It is just as vile as national socialism. It has in history caused alot more deaths actually than the nazies ever could. Has any country, that has wanted communism, ever actually got there? It is impossible, it will always bring more misery than good.
The government lies and lies of a new, beutiful age in communism. But to get there, what must be done? Of course make the state into a totalitarian one. Taking away rights and freedoms to get to this wonderful equal society?
Which is more important? Would you really be that happy if you were just as poor as your neighbor, and you would get arrested if you even remotely say something against the "great state"? Why would you want to be as poor as your neighbor anyway? Ok, lets say you work hard at school and become a surgeon or something. Your neighbor smokes pot instead of going to class. But still your lives are the same: Miserable.
What motivation would people have to learn at school or work hard if their life is going to be the same anyway?

Communism wont work, and i would not want it to work. It is a big lie, that too many people sadly believe in. Look at the USSR and China. They were both trying to reach communism, at the cost of millions of lives. You cant reach communism without turning into a totalitarian state.
Freedom > equality.

[Wheem]

Why should we not strive for Communism, it is after all a world full of peace and equality, the complete opposite of today. That's like telling something not to strive for heaven and just settle for hell.

Your definition of heaven is a lot different than mine.

[KaerMorhen]

Communism might look good only to people who've read about it but never for those who've lived in such state. The very idea of communism is sick and twisted, it should serve the working class but reality was quite opposite. It's most bloody system created by men, those ravings and nonsenses developed by :wub: like Marx, Engels and Lenin were menace for mankind.

[enoch]

so you are not a fan?

[bubka]

Cool.
People here do have senses.
I was afraid they would go into singing praises on communism.
Let's prod these people one by one.

@Chaigidel (Post 2): I fail to see how computers can help.

@NaptownKnight (Post 3): So Communist masses aren't brainwashed?

@silverster (Post 5): Like egg or bacon for brekafast ... I see.

@Earl of Rochester (Post 8): Indeed? So people in USA are now very individual, what? Or do you mean they are individualists (ie selfish) ?

@Rhinosaur (Post 9): What state has been communistic?

@RusskiSoldat (Post 10): First sensible post in the thread, thank you!

@Chaigidel (Posts 11 and 13): That's a different issue, but this was much better than your last effort.

@Rhinosaur (Post 14): You like that sort of stuff, do you? You have got nice tastes boy!

@Wheem (Post 15): Yay, that's the spirit, long live capaitalism, long live your creativity, individualism!

@Princeps (Post 16): Second sensible post, cheerio!

@enoch (Post 17): Thanks awfully for the idiots ten second guide to the communists! By the way, you are wrong about Che. He was the fashion statement! If you look like him, you are bound to look cool!

@NaptownKnight (Post 18): (Yawns ...)

@Estlander (Post 19): Ah things heat up finally! Yay for freedom, down with equality! Yay for surgeons, down with potters! But you are missing a point there. It's not killing that makes Communism bad. Capitalism kills a lot more actually. But communism kills some rich guys too, and that is where it crosses the line.

@Wheem (Post 20): Definition, huh? Semantics?

@Holger Danske (Post 21): Yeah. And come to think of it, monarchy works even better - it ran smoothly for two millenia at least! Yay for despots!

@Foytaz (Post 22): Don't worry - it won't look good to people who have read about it in this forum! And :wub: is the word - you said it!

@enoch (Post 23) - No I guess. Nor is he a bulb.

[Earl of Rochester]

@Earl of Rochester (Post 8): Indeed? So people in USA are now very individual, what? Or do you mean they are individualists (ie selfish) ?

Mankind on a whole is by nature extremely individualistic. So much so that communism will never work.

[enoch]

thank you for the praise?





but you know I founded the communist party, right?

[bubka]

which one?

[Chaigidel]

a computer would help a communist society in this way --- well I hate to cite a sci-fi novel but Ursula k leguin wrote a book called the Dispossessed--- it kinda described how a Anarchistic society would be workable , if computers administered the work etc-- anyway read it :O good book

basically I think computers could make communism viable because if you had machines that could make the complex calculations about what to spend where etc, who to send where who to train for what etc etc( we already have a computer that is the center of an entire company-- this machine has already come up with 326 unique patents-- this machine was given certain parameters and told "invent better ways of doing these things" or "invent"

and this machine has done it ever since, like I said the corner stone of a major company involved with the Patent office, so if the same was applied in government you could totally remove a ruling class

there would be no president or chancellor no legislature or judiciary, there would just be the well thought out and most reasonable commands of a machine that was built to make the best choices for everyone , not just for a few---- so all mankind could live in equality, true communism there would be no classes--- you work what jobs you want, if you dont do some kind of work you simply arent provided for, if there is a need for something the machine lets us know and everyone who wanted to work that job would bid for it then move to the location etc etc---

so you see art and individuality would be retained because people would simply be provided for work, then have time for other things--- input into the system would be directly related to how much the computer might listen to suggestions or input about the society

basically a human is not incorruptable a machine is --the theoretical quantum computer could fulfill this need.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

as i said in the last communist thread: this will just lead to a flamefest as virtually everyone on this board is reactionary.

[bubka]

@Chaigidel (Post 27): Nice idea, very original, but while computer are not incorruptible, they are certainly suspect to hacking, see?

@Earl of Rochester (Post 28): Wow I wonder why the fatheaded communists never thought of that? Goes on to emphasize their stupdity no doubt ...

@Modern Life is Rubbish (Post 29): You missed the punchline - and virtually everyone on this board thinks one is liberal.

Coming back to enoch, do you mean you are a communist?

[Chaigidel]

yes there would be complications--- you would need a host of other machines to make the machines a completely seperate entity--- too seperate us from the work we are not fit for so to speak--- being greedy and selfish creatures we need a control that is swayed by none of the trappings of the flesh--- there would be no hacking because human beings would not be allowed to learn such things after the machines knew they could maintain self sufficiency--perhaps they could remove part of the brain in a sort of partial labotomy to prevent higher thinking--- they could reinstate our thinking processes when they had the resources in place to control any instability brought about by our individual passions.

[enoch]

communism, along with any religion/philosophy (which are different approaches to the same end) that claims definite prophecy/certain natural progression (for commies it is the whole capitalism to communism/workers will absolutely move towards this, etc.) and is based on the bat**** crazy premise that on their own, people are drawn towards *good* acts, is bound to cause horror far more than happiness for so many reasons you all can think up yourselves.

It has always amused me that Marx, who is so famous for his religion is the opiate of the masses line, was too naive and self focused to realize that morality, and the "ideal-lost" children of the upper classes obsession with *forward* progression through morality, is the opiate of the upper middle classes.

It is a far nastier and more addictive opiate, because the leaders of revolutions are almost always those with some claim to the throne.

And I am a fascoanarchist - by the by

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

a facist anarchist?

i think you will find that somewhat impossible