Communism

[bubka]

I wonder, if socialism drew so much blood, what you people should think about those loons called communists?

[Chaigidel]

as valid as capitalism in my mind, just didnt work out because people were involved so an upper class developed again--- true communism with everyone equal is a noble ideal that could be achieved if we had say computers to run our governance-- :O

[misfitsfiend138]

true communism with everyone equal is a noble ideal that could be achieved if we had say computers to run our governance-- :O

lol, you mean we cant trust people.

[Holger Danske]

as valid as capitalism in my mind, just didnt work out because people were involved so an upper class developed again--- true communism with everyone equal is a noble ideal that could be achieved if we had say computers to run our governance-- :O

Only difference here is that Capitalism actually works and doesn't lead to maniac tyrants like Uncle Stalin and Grandpa Mao.

[Kanaric]

Only difference here is that Capitalism actually works and doesn't lead to maniac tyrants like Uncle Stalin and Grandpa Mao.

Capitalism doesn't work, thats why nobody uses it, similar to how nobody uses or has used communism. There is NO nation that runs a capitalist society.

We've had bolshevics, menshevics, trotskyists, maoists, but no communists.

With all the things like the federal reserve, money not based on a gold standard, people like Greenspan controlling inflation (and failing), among MANY MANY other things the US is probably the furthest from capitalism.


Capitalism = trusts, robber barons, and slave labor wages among many others. Pretty much the worst of the late 1800s.

[Kanaric]

Capitalism doesn't work, thats why nobody uses it, similar to how nobody uses or has used communism. There is NO nation that runs a capitalist society.

We've had bolshevics, menshevics, trotskyists, maoists, but no communists.

With all the things like the federal reserve, money not based on a gold standard, people like Greenspan controlling inflation (and failing), among MANY MANY other things the US is probably the furthest from capitalism.


Capitalism = trusts, robber barons, and slave labor wages among many others. Pretty much the worst of the late 1800s.

edit: In the US we dont own property. We pay taxes, which is like rent, on our property. You need permits to do everything and they can declare eminent domain on your house and seize it. We are more like communists than you think.

[La Hormiga]

as valid as capitalism in my mind, just didnt work out because people were involved so an upper class developed again--- true communism with everyone equal is a noble ideal that could be achieved if we had say computers to run our governance-- :O

Thank god that computers don't. Imagine if the "government" server crashed. anarchy.

[bubka]

Thank god that computers don't. Imagine if the "government" server crashed. anarchy.

so we have essentially realized anarchy through a very innovative way: get the computers to do all the work and then let them crash (or operate on microsoft, as modern life is rubbish points out)

[NaptownKnight]

Socialist are just moderate Communist. Socialism was considered by Karl Marx to be the first step toward Communism, which differs from socialism because a true communist country would have no government. Communists aren't loons, I think we are better off than the brainwashed masses feeding the monster that is Capitalism.

[silverster]

Communism is just as valid as capitalism. it's a matter of choice, none is right or wrong.

[kev-o]

Communism is just as valid as capitalism. it's a matter of choice, none is right or wrong.

Someone living in a communist state has no ownership of any property. There is no private companies. The state owns all of the companies and stores. That is why the USSR failed. Their entire economic system had no competition, therefore their economy is fixed and doesn't flow with the global economy. This in turn lead to increased inflation. Communism doesn't work because I think Marx envisioned this concept as an Ideal Utopia. Utopias are impossile to regulate.

[Oldgamer]

Communism is just as valid as capitalism. it's a matter of choice, none is right or wrong.

Communism is not just as valid as capitalism. There is no moral equivalence between the two.

Capitalism allows for individual freedom, personal property, freedom of speech, press, assembly, and worship, and also allows the individual to decide how he will use his freedom, and the wealth and personal options created by it.

Communism invariably ... INVARIABLY ... leads to dictatorship, suppression of individual rights, and oppression.

Ask yourself if you wish to live in Cuba or Florida, and see what answer you come up with ...

Communism is a good thing.. if we had a revolution it would give us a legitimate reason to hang Tony Blair and Cameron

And then, next year, the revolutionaries would be hiring their chauffeurs and maids ...

[Rhinosaur]

Communism is a silly and wrong headed idea. Human beings are social animals, not hive insects. We thrive best in an environment that nurtures individual freedom and takes into account our social proclivities. We need to help each other, but not to the point of doing all the thinking for our individuals in some government entity.

[bubka]

Communism is a silly and wrong headed idea. Human beings are social animals, not hive insects. We thrive best in an environment that nurtures individual freedom and takes into account our social proclivities. We need to help each other, but not to the point of doing all the thinking for our individuals in some government entity.

Government huh? Dude where in communism do you get a gov.?

[Earl of Rochester]

Communism actually would be incredibly more efficient. More efficient if we were drones.

Thankfully though mankind has individuality which simply is not compatible with communism.

[Rhinosaur]

Government huh? Dude where in communism do you get a gov.?

What communistic state has lacked a government?

[RusskiSoldat]

"Communist state" is an oxymoron, if you want to go into semantics.

[Rhinosaur]

"Communist state" is an oxymoron, if you want to go into semantics.

If, indeed. I really don't, it's a horribly boring argument dominated by logic bot type people who aren't interested in anything more than proving the rightness of choosing you're over your. Really not the stuff of good debates. The fact that communism purports to eliminate the state makes it opposite to the reality that we humans like to organize ourselves into peoples, countries, states, governments, w/e you want to call it for our whole history. We like that sort of stuff.

[morteduzionism]

If, indeed. I really don't, it's a horribly boring argument dominated by logic bot type people who aren't interested in anything more than proving the rightness of choosing you're over your.

but those are two(three technically) different words...and they're not interchangeable

The fact that communism purports to eliminate the state makes it opposite to the reality that we humans like to organize ourselves into peoples, countries, states, governments, w/e you want to call it for our whole history. We like that sort of stuff.

when looked at over the entirety of human history those concepts you're talking about are recent phenomenon. You're making a big assumption when you say "we humans like..." I think it's just the opposite. Humans seem to have always rebelled against organizations like your post named. Unless you're implying that a 'clan/tribe' is the same as a city-state, etc.

[Chaigidel]

hopefully human beings will become more drone like as time goes on simply to survive--- i forsee perhaps integration with machinery to allow this rather easily--- bam cyborg world dominating interstellar imperialist new age of man