Diplomacy

[XenoOGear]

Is it just me or the diplomacy here is unlike v2.2 where it actually carries weight. Back in v2.2, no one would backstab me and we all went along like a big happy family. Now, you can ceasefire one day and declare war the next day. Am I doing something wrong with the settings?

[notger]

2.3 = vanilla 1.02 diplomacy

I also do not like it, especially the part where the AI would gang up on you because you collected four rebel provinces and suddenly are powerful.
(That is especially grave for factions that are close to a lot of rebel provinces, like France and Turkey.)

[Lusted]

See it's one of the things i personally really disliked in 2.0 and 2.1, the game was far too peaceful. This is TW guys, i want WARS!

[notger]

Well then I go playing Civ.
Frankly I think that "Total War" is a selling point that was true back in the days of Shogun, where diplomacy consisted of killing or not killing the diplomat. I personally like the idea to be able to manage a diplo empire.

[Sonny WiFiHr]

M/VH should resolve that

[notger]

M/VH should resolve what?

[thecactusman17]

More peaceful diplomatic relationships, difficult battles.

[Istari6]

Wow. Great timing on this thread, since I was about to ask the same question.

After an initial campaign as the English when M2TW came out, I've been waiting for 1.2 and LTC 2.3 to try again.

Now playing as the Byzantines and I've been having a blast up until the last 10 turns (it's 1186). So many things are fixed, made right, made interesting - much improved Battle AI, Lusted's increased costs for structures makes me have to choose, etc

The problem is that I've been scrupulous about honoring any treaties, have never attacked another faction first, etc. Yet my reputation is now Dubious and I've gained Hungary, the Turks, Egypt, Venice, Milan, Sicily, the Moors and now England as enemies.

WTF?

England?? They marched halfway across Europe to attack me down in the Adriatic, yet they're not at war with France, Denmark, Scotland, etc.?

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At this point, I'm getting very frustrated and ready to give up. I can't accumulate any surplus funds when I'm continuously at war with 8 different powers. Yet when I beat them and they offer a ceasefire, they break it the next turn and go back to war. I'm only a middling power (#5 in the rankings, #16 in finance!), yet everyone's gunning for me.

Is there a way to change this so I can have a little more of a breather? Or at least so making ceasefires counts for something?

I'm playing on Hard/Hard.

Thanks,

Istari

[Istari6]

I should add I'm a big history buff, and have been trying to play the Byzantines both as they were historically (being an empire built on trade income, kind of an early medieval Carthage) and following Lusted's house rules by not attacking another faction for 50 turns (which worked out to be 75 years per his new 1.5 yr).

So now it's 1186, and I'm just getting hammered - no trade since everyone's declared war on me - leaving me with little income to support the military.

I've read some other threads, and it seems that in LTC, the secret is in sacking other towns for money. That's where you're supposed to get most of your funds in LTC 2.3? 'Cause I was trying to build up a good economic base to support an army, not loot & pillage for funds ala Viking Invasion.

Anyway, this is my only complaint about LTC 2.3. Even though this "pile-on diplomacy" might be a game-breaker for me, I really have to congratulate Lusted for an outstanding mod. I've been having a terrific time for the first 100 years of the Byzantines until I've hit this wall.

Any advice on recovering my current game? Any mods I can apply that tone down the diplomacy a little bit so I can actually build coalitions, etc without bribing them at 1000+ coins/turn?

Thanks,

Istari