Hungarians

[Daray]

As I see there is no topic here which is about the Hungarians (if yes than sorry, I didn't noticed it). So I thought that I open one.

I've tried the game with the new patch, and I must say that it is realy good . But in connection with the Hungarians I must make a few comments.

First of all: The Hungaian banner is still green. Even the newly created banners at the bannerholders (which are otherwise look really nice) are green. Please make it red. It was red historically. I really don't know who was the one, who coloured it green (it is green more than a year ago in this game, what is totaly unhistorical). It is red. Please make it red.

Second: There are very few special Hungaian units. Yes I know that you have a lot to do with the mod, and you have only a few time to work with the Hungaian units, but I think that this faction really deserved some special units. For example if we compare it with the two Spanish factions which have a lot. I don't know if you have those suggestions I have made at scc, but if not I can also type them here. I can even write the text to the unit card if you need it.

Minor things: There are some other minor things which are uncorrect. For example the names of the characters are mistyped almost everywhere. And even the name of the ruling dynasty is wrong.

Thanks for reading.

[BNS]

First of all: The Hungaian banner is still green. Even the newly created banners at the bannerholders (which are otherwise look really nice) are green. Please make it red. It was red historically. I really don't know who was the one, who coloured it green (it is green more than a year ago in this game, what is totaly unhistorical). It is red. Please make it red.

ok, then ill chage its color

Second: There are very few special Hungaian units. Yes I know that you have a lot to do with the mod, and you have only a few time to work with the Hungaian units, but I think that this faction really deserved some special units. For example if we compare it with the two Spanish factions which have a lot. I don't know if you have those suggestions I have made at scc, but if not I can also type them here. I can even write the text to the unit card if you need it.

a few more hungarian units might be included in the next patch

don't know if you have those suggestions I have made at scc,

nope its not like we knew it would go down, trust me we are suffering from it our dev forum is there

Minor things: There are some other minor things which are uncorrect. For example the names of the characters are mistyped almost everywhere. And even the name of the ruling dynasty is wrong.

if you point out the misspellings ill fix them for you

[Daray]

Thank you!

The misspellings are the followings:

Character names (the first one is the wrong and the second is the correct):
Lambert - (It is not a typicaly Hungarian name)
Azzony - (Also not Hungarian)
Balind - Bálint
Boldyszar - Boldizsár
Fabyan - Fábián
Georgius - György
Lukac - Lukács
Markus - Márk
Oremus - (not Hungarian)
Petri - Péter
Vtalyus - (not Hungarian)
Byrta - (not hungarian)
Baltasar - (not Hungarian)
Cziriak - (not Hungarian)
Fylep - Fülöp

There are many surnames which are not surnames. They can be used at the character names. These are the followings:
Árpád
Károly
Kazimierz (But this one is Polish. The Hungarian form of it is Kázmér)
Ambrus
Antal
Balázs
Bálint
Benedek
Ferenc
Gergely
György
Imre
Jakab
János
Márton
Máté
Mátyás
Mihály
Miklós
Pál

Some plus surnames to fill the gaps:
Csák
Aba
Pázmány
Apodfia
Tomaj
Kőszegi
Kán
Nekcsei
Szécsényi
Garai
Lackfi
Újlaki
Hédervári
Cillei
Rozgonyi
Kanizsai
Ozorai
Lépes
Szilágyi
Vitéz
Báthori
Országh
Kinizsi
Tomori

(Otherwise if it is possible, change the names. I mean surnames to character names, and character names to surnames. Just because in Hungary the surname is the first and the christian name is the second)

Women names (Also the first is the wrong and the second is the correct. Where a name is not Hungarian I advise a Hungarian one):
Adelhaid - (not Hungarian) Mária
Caterina - Katalin
Iolande - (not Hungarian) Barbara
Margaretha - Margit
Ade - (not Hungarian) Dorottya
Jozsa - (not Hungarian) Viktória
Agata - (not Hungarian) Veronika
Katun - (not Hungarian) Nóra
Anastasia - Anasztázia
Richeza - (not Hungarian) Piroska
Synodena - (not Hungarian) Eszter

The name of the ruling dynasty:
Árpád-ház means House of Árpáds. So it is not a name. So I advise only Árpád. And later also not Anjou-ház as I saw in the names list, just Anjou.

[Atterdag]

You're grand Daray

[DaVinci]

Daray, as for the Hungarian units, just propose their name, kind of unit (light or heavy infantry, range, skirmisher, light or heavy cavalry) and a description ... we have some units available which might fit to them from Crusader TW, so BNS can provide all the necessary files (based on our last internal update 0.96).

[Daray]

Hello!

You're grand Daray

Oh thanks!

as for the Hungarian units, just propose their name, kind of unit (light or heavy infantry, range, skirmisher, light or heavy cavalry) and a description

Ok. Than here are the units I propose (Only for the early era of course.if you will continue to the other eras, I will also have unit suggestions.):

Hungarian archer (in Hungarian: Magyar íjász, or just Íjász)(if you need the Hungarian name of it) (Íjász in singular, Íjászok in plural)
Ranged unit
Description: Hungarians were skilled archers during the whole history. It has its roots at the old nomadic culture. At those times, every Hungarian knew how to use a bow, because it was their main weapon, and also had a great role at the society. The settled European nations feared the Hungarian archers. As it stands on the wall of one temple: „God, save us from the Hungarian arrows!” After the Hungarians took up christianity and settled down the bow didn’t loose its popularity. It remained one of the most important weapons, and the these people remained the best archers of this region. They were feared by those ones, who faced them, and their name was well known in whole Europe. The bow they use are also special. The Hungarian bow is probably the only fully nomadic bow used by settled a settled nation. It’s a symetircal composite bow with a great stength (sometimes it was even stronger than the Welsh longbow). This weapon only came out of fashion at the end of the XV. century, and till this time even the knights had to learn how to use it.

Hungarian horse archer (Magyar lovasíjász, or just Lovasíjász)(Lovasíjász in singular, Lovasíjászok in plural) (hint: The horse archers were mainly common Hungarians, and not Székelys)
Ranged unit. Mounted.
Description: The culture of the horse also have its roots at the nomadic times. Those times the horse were the most important animal for the Hungarians. They are fast and mobile. They are the masters of the false retreats. They combine the ancinet (nomadic), and new (european) warfare. While retreating, they turn back int he saddle and rain their deadly arrows. But they wear european style light armor, and has fine european swords as a secondary weapon. They use the famous Hungarian bow. These soldiers were feared in whole Europe. The horse they ride is also specialy Hungarian. Hungarians were very proud of their horses. They were smaller then their western counterparts, but they were stronger, and had a greater stamina. There was even a law in Hungary, that noone were allowed to breed foreign horses in the country, and noone were allowed to take out a Hungarian horse from the country, to breed it elsewhere. This way they remained totaly the same for centuries. This ended at 1241-42 when the Mongols invaded the country and their horses mixed with the Hungarian ones.

Székely (Székely in singular, Székelyek in plural)
Light infantry
Descripion: The Székelys were a special group of the Hungarians. The said that they are the descendents of the great Hun conqueror, Attila. They live at Erdély. They had a very special status at the Hungarian society. First of all, they had to pay no taxes. They had special taxes, but these were not so serious. For example when the king had a larger feast, it was the Székelys’ task to roast oxes (it was called, the ox-tax). But they had no lords, so they were not part of the feudal society. To make this point more clear we must say they had one lord. One lord who was also Székely. He was called, the lófő (horsehead in a litterarly translation). And the king of course. But it was the Székelys’ task to guard the borders of Erdély. So they were natural warriors. These soldiers use the special folkish weapon of the Hungarians, the fokos. The fokos, was mainly the weapon of the shepherds, and with it they protected themselves against the wolves. But later it beacame a regular army weapon. It is a small headed axe, with a rather long handle. One part of the head has a slashing blade on itt o cut the flesh with it, and the other has a piercing part, to break bones, or an armor.

Semi-heavy cavalry (Félnehéz lovas in singular, Félnehéz lovasok in plural, and Félnehéz lovasság for the category name)
Light cavalry (Or it can be also heavy. It’s hard to categorise this unit, because it is heavier than a light cavalry, but lighter than a heavy cavalry)
Description: After the Hungarian landtaking, the nomadic warfare faded. The nomadic style cavalry came out of fashion, and a new, european style cavalry appeared. But it didn’t happened from one day to another. These soldiers have light armor, but use european weapons, such as western type lances and swords. But they not only have these weapons because of this changing. They are not on the top of the society, but they have more money than the common peasants. Because of this half heavy half light thing, they can be used for both tactics. They can be used, to engage enemies, and to insult them, or to attack routing troops. But they can be also efficient in frontal attacks. But just as long as they don’t meet real heavy cavalry.

I can also prowide you with pictures if it is needed.