Which is a greater threat, the Mongol, or Timurid invasion?

[The Good]

Savete everone! (Salvete is Latin for greetings)

In your opinions, which of these Horde Factions do you think is a greater threat than the other, the Mongol Invasion, or the Timurid Invasion?

Both of these Factions often rampage the Middle East or the Russian-Eastern European steppes, depending on which location they start at. The Mongols come earlier, while the Timurids come near the end of the game, but once the Mongols and Timurids come, there is almost no stopping them.

[Wolfcp11]

Mongols come fairly early when empires are not quite consolidated, and therefore harder

[Crusader Invasion]

^Yes but the Timurids have elephants.

[romanfool]

Mongols come fairly early in teh game when empires are still a tad weak, they get my vote.

Timurids come late enough that you have such a big empire they arent so hard.

[mightyfenrir]

Mongols come fairly early when empires are not quite consolidated, and therefore harder

^Yes but the Timurids have elephants.

I agree that the early arrival of the Mongols makes them harder. Right now they're attacking me after just walking by the Turks, pissed me off. Well placed artillery will spook elephants and they run amok in their own men.

[5h@\/\/|\| [TNT]]

Mongols come fairly early when empires are not quite consolidated, and therefore harder

agreed!

[Crusader Invasion]

It really depends on which faction you play as.

[pat the magnificent]

by the mid 13th century, i have several very powerful armies.

[keebz]

by the mid 13th century, i have several very powerful armies.

Are they all with 3 silver shevrons each? Do they all walk around together? Do they have 0 upkeep?

We're DOOMED!1

[alpaca]

In most campaigns I played that long it went like:
Mongols arrive, conquer the whole East
Timurids arrive, conquer all that the Mongols had earlier

That's changed a bit when I play in the area in which case I usually whittle them down with suicide attacks (huge amount of missiles, their high dread makes your units run anyways if you try melee) - this is especially hard against the tims

[Axe-Battler]

yeah I'd say mongol would be a bigger threat like mentioned by a few others in here factions aren't as strong as they would be by the time of the timurid invasion.

but I've never made it long enough in the campaign to see the mongols do any damage, yet alone to see the timurids invade.

[pat the magnificent]

well thats true. it can be difficult to build up a nice army quickly when you play as the byzantines or russians for example.

[Imperator_Maximus]

Mongols are definately more of a threat, namely because they are simply bigger the Timurids. I play at 1 year per turn and when the Mongols attack, its hell. The Timurids have elephants and some gunpowder units but the Mongols are simply larger and thereby a bigger threat.

[Crusader Invasion]

Mongols are definately more of a threat, namely because they are simply bigger the Timurids. I play at 1 year per turn and when the Mongols attack, its hell. The Timurids have elephants and some gunpowder units but the Mongols are simply larger and thereby a bigger threat.

Not really....

Keep in mind that I have already beaten some armies (the small ones). I actually took this pic way back in December so this is outdated (now I have South and North America and Cuba).

[bars]

(now I have South and North America and Cuba).

Really ? South America? Antarctica too? ))

[Crusader Invasion]

^What are you talking about? Are you trying to make a joke? Or have you never been to the Americas in M2TW? Please clarify.

[The Good]

Mongols are definately more of a threat, namely because they are simply bigger the Timurids. I play at 1 year per turn and when the Mongols attack, its hell. The Timurids have elephants and some gunpowder units but the Mongols are simply larger and thereby a bigger threat.

And that is why I fear the Mongol Hordes. Once they come, its "hell" like you said.... They destroy years of hard work when they sack my cities, they pillage, they kill, they rape, they destroy...They are the Mongol Horde.

[Snoopy]

The Mongols are stronger at the beginning, but once they settle down, they pretty much are wimpy by the time of the Timurids. The Timurids can do super power attacks if the nations in the east are fighting each other.

[sgtgoody]

Unfortunately I have yet to experience them. I usually play England and in my last campaign the Mongols invaded a couple years (I play 2 turns per year) after my last city, Antioch, in the Holy Lands fell to the Turks the Mongols invaded and went straight for Antioch and took it with little effort. Then I upgraded to 1.2 and had to start over. In my current campaign England (me) controls almost everything west of Frankfurt and I am going to make a major push into the Holy Lands to prepare to meet the Mongols. I have fun against the Turks and am looking forward to fighting the Turks on roids.

In all though I would think that the Mongols, because they come earlier, would be more of a challenge, especially for Western powers. By the time the Timurids arrive you probably have enough cannon and muskets to handle even SciFi elephants.

[big_feef]

Playing as the Turks or Byzantines, I always have a much harder time with the Mongols than with the Timurids. The Mongols show up in force when I'm still in the process of empire building. I'm almost always busy in the west against crusaders as the Turks or in the west against the Italians with the Byzantines (and also crusaders if I'm unlucky).

Trying to hold off attacks in the west to meet the greater threat in the east isn't exactly impossible; but it is rather difficult. Difficult because you're not properly able to produce and maintain several armies with good units needed to stave off the assault; so you will lose a couple settlements near where they show up. If you're unlucky, those loses can quickly cascade into the lose of your empire.

By the time the Timurids show up, I'm usually the strongest empire around and easily able to field multiple armies with the best units available to my faction. Crushing the Timurids becomes a tedious task rather than the struggle that it was with the Mongols. One mistake with the Mongols and you're easily screwed because you might not be able to recover in time. You can make several mistakes with the Timurids because you'll be able to quickly recover each time.