Yushenko, not content with taking power through a putsch, intends to keep it through one as well

[RusskiSoldat]

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Yushchenko orders troops to Kiev
Police stand between supporters of rival blocs in Kiev on 26 May 2007
Supporters from both sides are gathering in the capital, Kiev
Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko has ordered several thousand interior ministry troops to head to the capital Kiev amid a political crisis.

The order came as the president held talks with his bitter rival, Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, in Kiev.

The talks, which were delayed by several hours, were aimed at resolving an increasingly serious power struggle between the two leaders.

The two held late-night talks on Friday but failed to reach an agreement.

'Prevent provocations'

The deputy head of the interior ministry - which is loyal to Mr Yanukovych - said that the troops were being led by a commander loyal to Mr Yushchenko and acting in defiance of ministry orders.

The troops are reported to have driven towards the capital Kiev in a fleet of buses, and are thought to be carrying only riot gear and not lethal weapons.

"Moving the interior troops into the city is necessary to guarantee a calm life for the city, to prevent provocations," Ivan Plyushch, the head of the national security council, was quoted as saying on the presidential website, the Associated Press reported.

But "practically all of them have been stopped in different places", AFP news agency quoted Mykhaylo Korniyenko as saying.


WHO CONTROLS WHAT?
President Yushchenko commands the 300,000-strong armed forces
Interior Ministry commands 40,000 troops and more than 200,000 police
Commander of Interior Ministry troops Oleksandr Kikhtenko is loyal to Mr Yushchenko
Mr Yushchenko said he was taking command of Interior Ministry troops on Friday

Mr Yushchenko said he was assuming control of the 40,000 Interior Ministry troops on Friday.

His order came a day after riot police - acting on the orders of the interior minister - defended the offices of Ukraine's prosecutor-general, a Yanukovych ally who Mr Yushchenko had sacked.

Snap poll

Saturday's talks finally started after several hours' delay.


Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko. File photo

In pictures: Power struggle

Key lawmakers, including opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko, were also expected to attend.

The arch rivals are expected to discuss when to hold an early parliamentary election, says the BBC's Helen Fawkes in Kiev.

Both men agree that there has to be a new vote to resolve their dispute, our correspondent says.

Mr Yushchenko became president in January 2005 following the pro-democracy Orange Revolution, which overturned a rigged victory for Mr Yanukovych.

But Mr Yushchenko was forced to accept his rival as prime minister after his allies failed to win a majority in the March 2006 parliamentary election, and the two men have repeatedly clashed.

In April, Mr Yushchenko dissolved parliament and called a snap election, accusing his rival of trying to usurp his power.

Mr Yanukovych and his governing coalition initially rejected the move but later agreed in principle with the president to hold early elections. Now the two sides have to fix a date for the polls.

The president favours closer ties with the West, while the prime minister is seen as more pro-Russian.

There is growing international concern over the situation in the country. The EU has urged both parties to settle the deepening crisis though negotiation and not resort to violence.

So get this, the "democratic" revolutionary coalition who ousted the elected government in a putsch in 2004 has lost most of its popular support and, as such, control of the government.
What's the proper democratic course?
Why, it is of course to disband the parliament and then order interior ministry troops into the city to "prevent disturbances".
Sounds to me like Yushenko is securing his position in the very likely case that he'll face the possibility of impeachment (not to mention the whole thing about the Orange Coalition failing utterly).

[cegorach]

So get this, the "democratic" revolutionary coalition who ousted the elected government in a putsch in 2004 has lost most of its popular support and, as such, control of the government.
What's the proper democratic course?
Why, it is of course to disband the parliament and then order interior ministry troops into the city to "prevent disturbances".
Sounds to me like Yushenko is securing his position in the very likely case that he'll face the possibility of impeachment (not to mention the whole thing about the Orange Coalition failing utterly).

As always the fraudulent elections in 2004 are OK and protests against it are a putsch. Nothing changes with some people.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Naughty anti-Russian politician, naughty!

[RusskiSoldat]

And this supposed fraud was, of course, found out by pro Yushenko sources.
The number of sheer coincidences involving him is amazing.
Also, not that any 2004 election matters now, the Ukrainish people have long since abandoned the now defunct Orange coalition.
All it will take is one more parliamentary election, during which Yanukovich will most likely win 50% with his party alone, not to mention his two coalition allies.

[Enemy of the State]

All i can say is: Go Yushenko.

[wilpuri]

Amazing topic title. Keep it up, Russki.

[cegorach]

Amazing topic title. Keep it up, Russki.

True. I must admit if I was against Yushchenko I would change my mind after reading this.

+ 1 rep to RusskiSoldat from New York.

[Kiljan Arslan]

The opposition are supported by putin anyways who thinks that the Ukraine should be like Belarus.

[Sosobra]

Russian Propaganda for the win!!!

[Pavlik the Rus]

As i sured, people who cries Yushenko GO! Belives that Yanukovich is a puppet of RF. Am i right? And anyone (for sure) have somekind of evidences of that? I mean name dirrect pro-Russian actions what Ukraine did for last from 2004 year?

[removeduser_487563287433]

As i sured, people who cries Yushenko GO! Belives that Yanukovich is a puppet of RF. Am i right? And anyone (for sure) have somekind of evidences of that? I mean name dirrect pro-Russian actions what Ukraine did for last from 2004 year?

Why would they? Russia constantly abuses its western neighbours. Hell, Yuskenko was poisoned by Russia, I can't blame him at all.

[enoch]

yushie represents western "pro democracy" interests
yanu WORKS for the russians

public evidence is not necessary when anyone with the most basic understanding of global politics can use plain old common sense to reach this obvious conclusion

is the whole situation more complicated = yes
is the simple summary above absolutely true anyway = yes

[Pavlik the Rus]

2Ferrets54
What, another humor thread?

Hell, Yuskenko was poisoned by Russia

Impressive! Look, are you ready to belive in any robbish, wich blaming Russia?
Still, do you belive that we can not poison some one correctly?
Even in Ukraine, in the ranks of Yushenko, people hardly belives in this, and this "press duck" was silently 'forgoten'
But you are a beliver, aren't you?
2enoch

yanu WORKS for the russians

Here is what about i'm speaking.
How you get this conclusion?What Ukraine have made pro-Russian for last 3 years?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Find me a non-Russian that says Yushenko was poisoned by something else other than Russia. Good luck.

[cegorach]

As Pavlik the Rus said the situation is far more complicated.

NONE is clearly pro-Russian except communist party of Ukraine, but that has little influence. Yanukovych is usually seen as pro-Russian because he plays on such sentiments.
Like Kuchma before he cheated Russian factions desperate to 'recover' the influence in Ukraine, that is why he got so substantial support from RF, its companies and personally from Mr. Putin (managed to declare him a winner 2 or 3 times in 2004).

Yuschenko is seen as pro-western , but in reality he won't abandon relationship with Russia, though plays on pro-western sentiments.

Everyone seems to forget about the third side - Yulia Tymoshenko - she is more radically 'pro-western' or 'anti-russian' than Yuschenko and will most likely become the leader of Ukraine is time of a decade.

Basically all of them are neither clearly pro-Western nor anti/pro-Russian even if use certain sentiments in the political strife which lasts for about one year or two.

However some are more LIKELY to bow before certain groups of voters. So Yanukowych will be the one most likely to slow down the process of 'westernisation' of the country whereas Yulia Tymoshenko would be the one least interested in good relationship with Russia.

So basically the question is how fast will be the pace of ukrainian westernisation NOT IF it will happen.

Personally I think you should see that even 'pro-Russian' Yanukowych supports such initiative as Polish-Ukrainain Euro 2012 Football Championship - which has DRAMATIC consequences moving Ukraine towards the EU almost as much as the Orange Revolution did.

So let's not preach about quick collapse of Ukraine, civil war or putsches
- the political strife is more about power now than some international affairs - choice only either slows down or accelerate the process of integration of Ukraine with the EU but will NOT stop it.

[Muizer]

the process of integration of Ukraine with the EU but will NOT stop it.

Ukraine in the EU? You know, I really think the Ukraine should sort out its issues with Russia before they're even considered. I don't want the EU to get involved in any kind of conflict between Russia and its neighbours.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Ukraine in the EU? You know, I really think the Ukraine should sort out its issues with Russia before they're even considered. I don't want the EU to get involved in any kind of conflict between Russia and its neighbours.

Too late; Russia has already brought the conflict to us with their using energy resources as a tool of policy.

[bars]

I really think the Ukraine should sort out its issues with Russia before they're even considered.

yes they should. as well as problems within.

[MARIAN]

ok m8 i am ukrainian, and i was born in Lviv if you knew that is mean I think that while it is not proved it is impossible to speak about fault of Russia, and in general there is a presumption of innocence, here this are followed

[Pavlik the Rus]

You asked for it.