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    Default FACTION: The Imamate of Oman

    THE IMAMATE OF OMAN


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    Omani swordsmen


    Light Lancer


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    Summary: The Nabhani Dynasty was a native Omani Dynasty that ruled Oman between 1154 and 1470 AD. 
    
    Status in the Mod:The Nabhani are not there only to fill up Arabia but also to fill up Baluchistan, the empty territory in the south of Afghanistan (Modern Day Baluchistan, Pakistan). They give character to a region that is still somewhat threadbare, providing a force that could interact with the Abbasids, the Seljuks, the Ghaznavids, or the Rajputs, and with the addition of Sindh, would help fill up a region still lacking in factions.
    
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    We could feature for exotic purposes some mercenaries or very low recruitment pool, low refresh rate units in Oman which come from the further stretches of the Omani Trade Routes. Something from South India, Southeast Asia, the southern parts of Africa, ect. 
     Because I've taken to liking those indomitable Gauls...I mean, Sindhis, :tongue:, I'm lumping them together in this argument. Both Sindh and the Nabhani represent dynasties or kingdoms that compared to many others, lasted far longer and with far more stability. Muhammad of Ghazni's Empire fell apart rather quickly, so too did Saladin's Ayyubid, the Great Seljuks technically held their empire for 100-200 years, and the Ghorids too fell. Yet these two factions, perhaps due to their size and position, held out for around 300 years each. This is no feat to sneeze at, as many greater empires didn't last that long, and when they fell, were totally obliterated as a kingdom or political force. Even when under the sovereignty of others, at least the Soomro retained some level of independence.
    
    Sindh and Nabhani would be like our mod's Bohemia, Scotland, Portugal, Milan/Genoa, Denmark, or Sicily. Small factions who never hit it big but in most cases held out despite bigger and meaner foes facing them, and who, it's possible, could have been led to greatness had they the right generals, the right leaders. After all, a puny little successor State to the Great Seljuks ended up being the mighty Ottomans. And also, people can enjoy playing as underdogs. We have a good share of those already, but even the Abbasids still carry a feeling of Imperialism despite their lowly status. Soomro and Nabhani offer the chance for someone not to rest their laurels on the achievements of history but to strike out and make their own. 
    
    Now for proof behind at least Oman's inclusion:
    
    During the Middle Ages, Oman was in regular contact with Persia, India and even southeast Asia. With maritime trade flourishing. Arab dhows built by Omani shipwrights at Sur (See page 30), were riding the monsoon winds eastward as far as Ceylon and in the eighth century an Omani trader Abu Ubaida' Abd Allah ibn al-Qasim, made the first sea voyage from Arabia to China. In the late 10th century, Omani merchants founded the trading city of Kilwa, on an island off the coast of Tanzania and by the 12th century, an amir from the Nabhani clan of Oman was permanently resident on the East African coast, trading in gold, iron, and slaves. It is probably at this time that Omani merchants first began to reside in Zanzibar. - http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issu...-a.history.htm
    
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...&postcount=104 Contains not really information detailing their importance but rather information on Baluchistan.
    
    It is in general a leap of faith for us to assume the Omanis truly held Baluchistan. But in the early days of Islam, during the Umayyads, there were frequent pirate attacks on Arab shipping from Pirates of Baluchistan and Sindh. Combined with the fact that the Arabs relatively quickly conquered these regions, it's not implausible that a maritime Omani Dynasty would not establish sovereignty over Baluchistan. At the very least, it would be plausible they held a coastal city or fortress in the region.
    
    
    
    Although the modern day Emblem, it does seem steeped in History enough to use it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Oman
    
    Omani Swordsmen:
    Beauchamp's Images located here: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...4&postcount=23 
    
    African Units:
    Beauchamp's images and concepts once again:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...6&postcount=38
    
    
    A Rough Concept on the Faction Roster: Parallels to Carthage will be brought up because they fit very well. The Nabhani have a diverse and exotic faction roster, emphasized on AOR troops and mercenaries (Bolstered by the fact that they should be inclined to mercenary traits and ancillaries that lower the price). It's a double edged sword in making them flexible, but also unreliable, in that they cannot rely on the same army for every different field. Their native (AOR troops specific to them and general to everyone) include Fierce Baluchi Tribesmen, Tribal Arabs of Arabia, and Black African Slave-warriors, with a small core of Omani troops, namely Marines and Swordsmen. Here's a rough list of what they could possess:
    
    This is quite a bloated list. My view is that most of their units are used by, or will be used by other factions (Only the Omani Units are really exclusive), and along with them being more hindered by AOR than most other factions, it might be cool for them to have a different army makeup per region. However, that may still be too much and a solution would be to have at the lower tiers a native unit, and at the higher tiers for Baluchistan, Arabia, Sindh, and East Africa, the Omani Arab units.
    
    Another solution is to omit the Baluchis and Tribal Africans from their list and make them AOR. To offset the loss, Omanis can recruit a few native units at Tier 4/5 of the City Barracks. For instance, in Baluchistan, Sindh, or East Africa, they could recruit Omani Swordsmen and Omani Light Marines from a Tier 4 or 5 City Barracks.
    
    Confusing, yes? All I mean to say is that the Omani recruitment should be unique to other factions. As Alpha said, 
    I think these guys could perhaps recruit their Arab, African and Bedouin troops (the ones we already have made) in the Arab peninsula. Over the water though I would like to see their barracks to change considerably. The idea of African units running around in southern Afghanistan is a little too weird for my tastes.
    Whether we want to divvy up their recruitment into an African, Arabian, and Asian/Baluchi, or just an Arabian-African and Baluchi-Asian recruitment area is up to us. If I say new mesh, it just means we might have to edit a mesh. Like change the turban on an afghan. It may mean a major or minor edit, but it just means we don't have any pre-existing units to use. Unit Concepts Arabia: All Around unit selection. Some of the Omani's better cavalry choices.
    • Arabian Lancers - Tribal Arabs on horseback with light lance and sword. Also found in the Mercenary Pool & Zengid Roster. [Uses Tribal Arab Mesh with Spear]
    • Arabian Faris - An upper class version of the Arabian Lancers, these guys would be spear and sword wielding Professional horsemen. [Could use Faris Archer mesh with spear and sword]
    • Omani Marines - Possibly a Light and medium variation. Light wears quilted cloth, Medium wears loose and light mail. Both should probably be Hybrid units. The Light could wield a bow and a sword, the Medium a crossbow and another weapon. Both with shields. [New Mesh]
    • Bedouin Spearmen - Same Mesh, same or altered texture of Abbasid Bedouin. Also found in the Abbasid Roster. [Current Bedouin Mesh]
    • Omani Ahdath Militia - Representing the native Arabs who settle in on the territories or coastal ports which Oman trades in or dominates politically. They'd possibly be well armed and armored compared to other City Militia, yet have the same sort of moral and discipline. Very similar to Merchant-militia cavalry in Vanilla. In fact, for the Omanis these could be limited to having that merchant guild hall. Or a certain tier of Trade building. [Uncertain mesh. Could use pre-existing]
    • Omani Swordsmen - That unit idea which someone here came up with. High attack, low armor but good shield and defense. They should fight in a dispersed formation, and do well when they can get their enemies to fight them 1v1 and not formation vs formation. Kinda like the Celtic swordsmen of RTW. [New Mesh]
    Africa: Possibly a split between cheap and inefficent tribal levies, and their most disciplined and high moraled professional slave-warriors.
    • Perhaps a mesh can be made for 'Tribal African' units, which could be then used in the future with an Ethiopian/Sudan faction. It'd be a single mesh and might offer 2-3 variations. One with Spear, one with Bow, one with some sort of melee weapon? Would also be found as mercenaries in Egypt and West Arabia. They'd be lower tier tribal rabble. These wouldn't be too necessary though, especially since if they were made into AOR they'd have only a few provinces to be useful in. [New meshes, though this is not totally necessary. We'd reuse the meshes for when we include a Sundanese Kingdom]
    • Nubian Spearmen Nubian Archers [Both Nubians would be Slave-warriors] Also found in Abbasid and possibly Ayyubid Roster. [Nubian Unit mesh]
    • Some sort of Camel riding Bedouin, possibly. [Re-texturing of a current Bedouin Mesh/texture.]
    Baluchistan: Much like the Afghans, the Baluchis offer Oman fierce, aggressive tribesmen. It might be that Baluchis are less aggressive, and more hearty, possibly also faster and sneakier than the Afghans.
    • Nothing really fancy here. They probably would not be as ******* aggressive in arms or stats as the Afghans. You'd see some spearmen, more of a 'hearty harasser light infantry' than a 'throw them at the enemy' light infantry. Camel-riding bedouin would probably return, and I'd need to see if Baluchis were particular to any fighting style. They had Iranians, Turks, and Arabs in their population, which means bows, lances, and I suppose maces may have found use. [A mixture of Bedouin Meshes and Afghan meshes with some edits, I think]
    • It is possible that in Baluchistan, either as mercenaries or as AOR (Exclusive to Oman or Not) there would be some Iranian, or some Turkish, units. If we include Sindh as I hope we do in the future, I would think the Omanis having some Horse archers and the Sindhi having some elephants would be a good contrast between the two. Both aren't as cavalry heavy as their neighbors, but both augment their light/medium melee cavalry with either HA or Elephants. [Turkish/Iranian Units]
    Last edited by Ahiga; October 03, 2007 at 05:56 AM.

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    Default Re: DISCUSSION: The Nabhani Dynasty (Oman)

    As most of you probably know, im all for this faction. I am willing to devote many long hours of more research to make sure this factions kicks a$$.


    Long Live Oman!

    (Actually, flag of Zanzibar under Omani's when capital was at Stonetown)

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    Icon14 JEAY SINDH !

    JEAY SINDH !!!

    SINDHU DESH MEHAZ !!!




    English lit: Long Live Sindh ! The Movement of the Sindhi Nation !
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    Default Re: DISCUSSION: The Nabhani Dynasty/Emirate of Oman

    I think this faction alone would spice up BC a lot.

    The thought of it being a naval based faction completely sets it apart, imagine doing naval landings on India. Not to mention the colourful unit roster. I totally approve of this, not that my approval matters

    Oh and, that Omani Marine looks wicked.

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    @Sinan: Pakistan Zindabad?

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    Default Re: DISCUSSION: The Nabhani Dynasty/Emirate of Oman

    Beauchamp check my first post, added a line.

    I was thinking of Sindh with regards to BC for a while now. The Rajputs could certainly use some smaller neighbours. I mentioned this already in another thread when I first saw the BC campaign map. I'm all for the inclusion of Sindh & Oman. This will add even more depth to BC.
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    Default Re: JEAY SINDH !

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    JEAY SINDH !!!

    SINDHU DESH MEHAZ !!!




    English lit: Long Live Sindh ! The Movement of the Sindhi Nation !
    lol so I take it that you'd be voting for the Jeay Sindh Quomi Movement in the coming elections
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    Default Re: DISCUSSION: The Nabhani Dynasty/Emirate of Oman

    Maybe we could focus the Oman emirate on the ocean and perhaps give them unique ships making them quite effective at piracy and sea voyages early on?

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    I know that Omanise used flags with red color only until 20th c

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    Hi all,
    I suggest to start with castles in Oman since there are more than 500 castles there. and about Masqut, i recommend to be Sohar (becuase masqut was small village at that time and it was not important until 15th c). Naz'wa was oman capital at that time-no quite sure . in evry city in the basic building are mosque , Suqe (mean Market) and Castle (some times tow castles) . there also a unique building for oman faction call Falag (Irrigation Systems).
    http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1207

    about Nabhani destiny they call the sultan Imam. also they call the city [B]Wilayah [B] and the governor (Waly)

    suggested map
    http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2...onswl52ei4.jpg

    info and pics about some castle
    Bahla Fort
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahla_Fort
    Naz'wa Fort
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nizwa
    http://www.geocities.com/alshukili/nizwa_fort.GIF
    Nakhal Fort
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakhal_Fort
    Rustaq Fort
    http://www.omanet.om/arabic/tourism/images/F13.jpg
    Last edited by nnnm; May 24, 2007 at 01:23 AM.

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    Hi Nnm. Thanks for the information, it would be good to give the Omani's a castle in their native Arabia, else they'll be in a bit of trouble if the Abbasids come south.

    I'm not in charge of the map so I'll let Mirage speak on behalf of that, but your suggestions seem very applicable, simply having the westernmost Oman Province be a castle (if I understand correctly), and the Easternmost be their capital.

    I figure one unit we were remiss in not including would be an Omani Pirate unit, which would be logical to have any Omani castle barracks. Idealy, we could make it so only port provinces can recruit them, but unless there's a hidden resource for ports or coastal provinces that we are forgetting, I'd rather not do the work for just that. Nothing special - could use the axe, or if we wanted to be a little innovative, it could be a khandjar and shield wielding unit, with exceptionally fast attack ratings but very very low damage.

    However that gives an idea of having a separate Omani unit tier located in their shipwright buildings. Tier 1 would have Omani Pirates, Tier 2 would have the Light naval marines, and tier 2 would have the Medium naval marines. We may want to consider the style we're going for with Oman, if perhaps we want them to recruit their 'auxilia' units (Africans, Tribal Arabs, Baluchis/Iranians/Turks) from castles, and their regional AOR units along with native Omani Units (Marines, Pirates, Swordsmen [though these guys could pass as castle], Ahdath Merchant Militia) in cities. It'd give them an edge made up in the fact that their AOR Could be limited to the south and south-east of the map, or in the fact that their cavalry roster is less strong than their neighbors.
    Last edited by Ahiga; May 24, 2007 at 01:58 AM.

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    I agree Aigha. The castle should be at Salalah in the southern province while Muscat should be the port. What if the Omani's owned Hormuz instead of Baluchistan? And had a stack of troops that could take it during the game, it just seems more logical seeing that Oman had a big tie to hormuz and to Iran.

    I disagree with nnnm in the fact that Muscat should be the capitol (even though it was an independant city) because of largely historical reasons (Muscat being one of the Oldest cities in the world) but their should be a castle in the south for recruiting Arab mainstays. This castle should be Nizw'a, but the main port should be Muscat.
    There, the happy medium, and developers can decide the capitol.

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    Default Re: DISCUSSION: The Nabhani Dynasty/Emirate of Oman

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahiga View Post
    However that gives an idea of having a separate Omani unit tier located in their shipwright buildings. Tier 1 would have Omani Pirates, Tier 2 would have the Light naval marines, and tier 2 would have the Medium naval marines.
    Wow, that's genius. That would be so awesome.

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    As Im sure that all of you know that persia is thew other name of iran.the turks first came to iran as slaves to serve the new persian(iranian) kingdoms formed after the fall of persian sassanid empire.although these persian kingdoms were by name under the rule of caliph they were all independent and fought hard for their new religion Islam. but because of the constant wars between themselves(like yaghubian and samanids) they declined and turks who were persianized took their place.The Official language of these turks in their castles was not turkish but was parsi(the language of persians). most of their sultans had many persian poets in their castles(youcan use their name for traits)and the sultans them selves tried to be persian poets but not so sucessful.I have many many information about this era iran and it take 400000 hours to type them here,BTW great job on the mod

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    "the turks first came to iran as slaves"
    "they declined and turks who were persianized"
    "The Official language of these turks in their castles was not turkish but was parsi(the language of persians)"
    "the sultans them selves tried to be persian poets but not so sucessful"
    "I have many many information about this era iran and it take 400000 hours to type them here"

    smells like a panarian member here

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    lol, and its in the Nabhani thread

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    Hi all,
    Names of the Nabhani rulers
    http://www.omanet.om/english/history/omanrulers.asp

    about Beauchamp suggestion, he had good point, However the important cities in the north is ( Sohar , Muscat, Sur and Matrah) in center of oman (Naz'wa and Rustaq) and in the south (generally south called Dhofar) Salalah

    Pirate and omani swrdsmen are cool. I imagine the omani sm in the white dress and over it leather lamellar with omani swords. it's cool

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    I like the idea of having land units available through the ports. Maybe you could increase the amount of money you gain from blockading ports or possibly mod it in if it doesnt happen already so that it can reflect the Omani's piracy

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    Im no panarian(wonder what that means but i think it must be something bad) and had no means to offend anybody.Sorry if anybody got offended.but all the things that i mentioned were true historical fact. an example for this was sultan salim 'one of the greatest Sultans of otomans Used parsi for saying poems but on the other hand Shah ismaeil the first ruler of safavid iran Used turkish for saying poems.they were at the same time and at that time ottomans were in war with safavids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maximusarian View Post
    Im no panarian(wonder what that means but i think it must be something bad) and had no means to offend anybody.Sorry if anybody got offended.but all the things that i mentioned were true historical fact. an example for this was sultan salim 'one of the greatest Sultans of otomans Used parsi for saying poems but on the other hand Shah ismaeil the first ruler of safavid iran Used turkish for saying poems.they were at the same time and at that time ottomans were in war with safavids.
    sorry but i thought you are on of these ultra nationalistic pan-persian über human arian guys

    it is true that turkish rulers used persian for poets. Did you know that Muhammed II. knew 7 languages?

    in that time arabic was used for medicine and religious things, persian for art and poetry.
    like todays latin and old greek in medicine and paleontology for example.


    to the others sorry for beeing offtopic.

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