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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Bahahah freedom of speech exists in the United States of America, where you can indeed make racist statements if you so wish. Free speech certainly does exist in at least one country.
  2. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    You’re gonna have to tell me where those articles prove he’s fascist, because I read them, and the thing they all seemed to talk about was Bolsonaro saying he would ‘jail red outlaws’ aka leftists. I...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Are you seriously saying that you would make that illegal? What happened to freedom of speech?
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    It should be legal to make racially discriminative remarks because they don’t harm anyone. Am I not allowed to say the word ‘black’ or ‘white’ because that’s differentiation? Am I not allowed as a...
  5. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    You haven’t given me any evidence thst he’s a fascist beyond saying he supports coups, homophobia, and eugenics. None of that makes someone a Fascist. It makes them an ultra-authoritarian. I don’t...
  6. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    The Guardian can kiss my ass as far as it’s concerned. You can’t argue from authority here by saying ‘the media said it so it must be true’.
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Oh you’re scraping the barrel now with these mental gymnastics Kritias,

    Let’s look at UK hate-speech laws such as the public order act.
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  8. Re: Cardinal George Pell - Justice vs Free Speech?

    I’ll comment on any country’s justice system actually.
  9. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    I should have said he is authoritarian, but not fascist.

    Why should I have to prove a negative? You prove the Brazilian Junta was a Fascist regime, therefore making Bolsonaro a celebrator of a...
  10. Re: Cardinal George Pell - Justice vs Free Speech?

    I don’t think reporting on a case should be illegal, that’s what I meant. Is that what contempt of court is? It will just be interesting to see whether people day the same things they did last time...
  11. Re: Cardinal George Pell - Justice vs Free Speech?

    The usual suspects will tell us that contempt of court is a heinous crime I imagine...
  12. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    Glorifying the Junta makes him authoritarian, not a Fascist.

    The junta itself was not Fascist, why would Bolsonaro?
  13. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    Coups are self explanatory, Fabians wanted to sterilise the poor, religious extremist of many stripes want to whip gays, and murder of opponents is again self explanatory.



    ... but they do need...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    If hate speech isn’t always incitement, then why make all hate speech illegal?

    Why not... just stick with normal incitement laws, make some new anti-incitement laws even.



    So if Meecham’s...
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    Re: Should Pepper Spray be Legalised?

    Wat :laughter:

    You troll but you still make me laugh sometimes.
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    Re: Should Pepper Spray be Legalised?

    The UK doesn’t have carry laws. You can’t bring a gun into town or a public place.
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Can you explain why hate speech is the same as incitement?
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    Re: Free Speech in the UK

    I’ve no doubt that ads like this, or the below would be banned. What a bunch of emotionally undeveloped weaklings. You’re right to point out this stuff is coming from America, specifically activist...
  19. Re: Why were 20 people shot dead and 24 injured in El Paso today, and what’s causing the recent trend since the 90s of mass shootings and massacres.

    Are you seriously invoking Enoch?
  20. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    None of those make you a fascist, they are seen in various ideologies be they fascist, conservative, socialist or communist.

    He’s clearly authoritarian, but ‘Fascist’ is a reach.



    I was...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    If that’s so, what would you have the government do about the lies and generalisations. And personal experience can be skewed one way or another, when it comes to forming an opinion on something it’s...
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    Re: Free Speech in the UK

    I’m honestly curious at who pushed for the new advertising laws. I’ll look up who sponsored the parliamentary bills in an hour or two if someone else hasn’t already.
  23. Re: USA Democratic party 2020 candidates and primaries thread

    Which Democrats are funded by the GOP? Is Biden among them?
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    The second one about hatred in of itself? I did a thread for that. https://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?793638-Should-hate-be-a-crime

    I’m quite worried if you even have to think about...
  25. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    I’d like to talk about Fascist rhetoric, but I can’t take either of you seriously if you really think Bolsonaro, Le Pen, or even Trump is somehow literally Mussolini.
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Well if hate speech was ‘inchoate’, it would be ‘in preparation to hate’ so to speak. Hatred itself should not be illegal, obviously.
  27. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    You have yet to name a single fascist party except Golden Dawn.
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Huh? What makes you think that? This one’s got me tickled. Every group’s targeted by hate speech.
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Hate speech doesn’t harm anyone or infringe on their liberty or welfare. Therefore banning it is harmful to freedom.
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    What are you on about. Scotland has MSPs. That’s the closest thing to direct representation there is.

    The United Kingdom is obviously not an airstrip one Orwellian state, but hate speech laws are...
  31. Re: When the time comes: Let's discuss fascist rhetoric

    Fascism is an incredibly small and irrelevant movement. There are no Fascist parties in the world polling much above 2 or 3% except for Golden Dawn in your native Greece.
  32. Re: Why is it so important for a white country to stay white?

    Romans, Norse and Normans contributed a negligible amount to British ancestry.

    Why is cultural change in the past an argument in favour of cultural change in the future? It’s a fallacy, an appeal...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    I never said what happened to meecham was uncommon, I just disagree with it. I never said it was unusual to have the crown litigate a legal case against someone. If Ephraim Borowski pursues a case...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Even the SCoJC disagrees with you. Your assertion that the ‘Jewish community’ played a part in the prosecution is flatly incorrect. Meecham was prosecuted by the Crown ergo the state, only the state,...
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    Re: POTF 15 - Nominations

    Okay, after research the laws for censorship in Germany falls under two categories: according to (a) Strafgesetzbuch section 86a, the public denial of the Holocaust, the use of Nazi imagery (except...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    No-one complained about the video, until the police had to search for witnesses to find someone who took offence.
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Kritias it wasn’t done for increased traffic and revenue. He uploaded it to a youtube channel whose only subscribers were his mates. It wasn’t commercial, it probably wasn’t even monetized.

    In...
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    Re: Free Speech in the UK

    Do the Muslims you know support the right to draw the prophet?
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    Re: Trump wants to buy Greenland

    What makes you think they chose to be part of Denmark. Just saying, we don’t know what they want.



    Why? What would it cost Greenlanders? You seem to be couching the discussion around a theme of...
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    Re: Trump wants to buy Greenland

    I don’t really see the big problem with buying Greendland? I just have no idea why America would want to do so.
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