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  1. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Weren't you ok with restricting fully automatic weapons and machine guns? Individually operated machine guns are very much small arms.

    Ok, well his position is that gun control can only be used...
  2. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

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  3. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Well yeah, his position is that there literally can't be a gun restriction law that facilitates anything other than abusing power. If there are some gun restrictions that we can agree are there not...
  4. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Gun violence stats in Chicago are totally unrelated to whether gun control legislation could only exist to facilitate abuses of power. But to be clear here: your position on gun ownership legislation...
  5. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Sorry, didn't see an argument. That gun control only ever has a purpose of abusing power seems, uh, untenable. Presumably, there are other reasons on why the state would "control" any material than...
  6. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Only the smallest of minorities of humons actually believe this.
  7. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Isn't this cut out of question I was posing? I am sure you think you are very special. ;)


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    I don't think you are going to find the section on ARs being necessary to form a militia,...
  8. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    I am not saying you have God-given super specialness, you are implying that by saying you know the "proper" limits to firearm ownership. You have done nothing to demonstrate why ARs are 1) necessary...
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    I bet it was Heisenberg.
  10. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    But...that's what the 2nd Amendment is about: the access to certain firearms that can't be interfered with by the government (by requiring licensing). If you have to take a test and have a "clean...
  11. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    That citizens should have access to any weapons system the military uses? Without licensing? That certainly is not the SCOTUS position now nor close to being. No doubt a lot of restrictions on guns...
  12. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    "Have access to same weapons as government and military" is not a standard anybody I know has; ep1c_fail isn't for that. It would also include mortars, recoilless rifles, rocket-propelled grenades,...
  13. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    You are correct on the 1A/2A; I feel like the crux of any argument around weapon ownership, even with ep1c_fail, is around the concept of how lethal of a tool should an individual be allowed to own...
  14. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    So wait, why is your limit as to what is acceptable (fully automatic weapons for instance) the correct place to put the line and not somewhere else? Because you are special and you say so? And...
  15. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Absurdity? I didn't bring up nukes or tanks, just mortars and grenade launchers. That's not that much higher up in terms "heavy" weaponry than self-loading rifles. In fact, that seems like a real...
  16. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Then take solace in the knowledge that the chances of the US losing the 2A in the foreseeable future are <1%.
  17. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Your perception on what is "pretty bad" is immaterial; only a select few believe that Canada and most of Europe are under tyrannical rule. Though maybe you could explain how tyrannical governments...
  18. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    You mean like most of Europe and Canada, where you need licenses from the government to own such weapons? Idk, they seem to be alright on the Democracy index. But please, do explain on how Canada is...
  19. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    What are you on about? You can make an IED without mortar rounds or grenades nor do we have direct reason to believe it would become a major problem in the US. The amount of violent crime committed...
  20. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    I don't know about nukes and missiles but I gave the example of mortars and grenade launchers which you seem to think should be banned from civilian ownership. The bold part means nothing. You have...
  21. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    What an inane statement. You still never gave what any of this would look like and are still going down the "step 2: ??? / step 3: Tyranny" route. You obviously don't put stock in primary posturing,...
  22. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Slippery slope for me but not for thee, eh?
  23. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Apparently not, unless the law has caused a change in interpretation of the 2A.


    What a drama queen. I didn't refer to you as a bad guy, just a partisan hack.

    Ok? Am I missing a point here?...
  24. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    What does that have to do with the 2A?

    Well, you know, when you see a spade...

    I never said it was, I was speaking to the limits to what Americans believe regarding ARs and the 2A.
    ...
  25. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    This is the important part of your point: Virginia is passing a State law on this which your claiming is a thread to the 2A, by which I can only take to mean that a court case from this law would...
  26. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Right, I am asking for your examples of incrementalism that is threatening the 2nd Amendment. What are these steps that have been taken?


    What "has happened before" was the ban of sales of...
  27. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    And then something something about how progressives want to seize guns.


    You do know the Federal Assault Weapons Ban had nothing to do with removing guns already in circulation, right?

    Where...
  28. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Right, you seem to have very little evidence for the "incremental" take down of the 2nd amendment. Your current pitch is that certain primary candidates would just violate it if they got the...
  29. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Right, and I asked you how this was going for them on a federal level and you brought up candidates in the Democratic primary. Is there some other thing going on federally that is an "incrementalist"...
  30. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    The argument is that gun seizures are insanely extreme and impossible to implement. You don't even know what the exact position is, just "assault weapons ban" and then you jump to gun seizures, in...
  31. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    It's probably not. Sounds like an unobtainable campaign position. Maybe he could ban the sale, but actually seizing guns back is deemed by pretty much all law enforcement as impossible, even if you...
  32. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    You're dreaming. Or are we just repeating the the "Obama is coming for your guns" rhetoric with a different coat of paint?

    It would have at least limited the amount of moral degeneracy we are...
  33. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    And how is this going for them Federally?

    Concern of the 2nd amendment has got to be one of the biggest non-issues of all time; not only is there a lack of political will to go after the 2nd...
  34. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    You don't have to trust their motives, just their limitation in power. By what vehicle do you think the Libs could even touch the 2nd amendment? A new amendment? :laughter:
  35. Re: Thousands peacefully protest for Constitutional gun rights in Virginia, legacy media screeches, WV offers to annex pro-2A counties

    Any "anti-gun" law? I think the Supreme Court disagrees.
  36. Re: US House Speaker Announces Formal Impeachment Inquiry

    You are assuming that the functionality of an institution is squarely reflected by the public trust in the government. If that were true, government institutions must have had a huge improvement in...
  37. Re: Iraqi protesters storm U.S. embassy in Baghdad

    True enough, but do Americans really care about illegal wars they aren't involved in?
  38. Re: Iraqi protesters storm U.S. embassy in Baghdad

    Hey, it will mean less "illegal wars", so it's a good thing, right?
  39. Re: Iraqi protesters storm U.S. embassy in Baghdad

    Behold, E-fail the interventionist war-hawk. Be sure to aim for their culture centers, buddy.
  40. Re: US House Speaker Announces Formal Impeachment Inquiry

    Of course Trump was effective in his messaging and the Dems were apathetic, I never said Trump was elected "purely because of the conservative constituency". You brought up a claim saying that Trump...
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