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    Re: [Discussion] Curia future

    We have an absentee owner. A glaring 'single point of failure'

    We're down to 3 active Admins, not all of whom may be tech savvy enough to keep things going if the others go down. Another 'red...
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    Re: Lock him up! Former PotUS Trump indicted

    Not if you're the Champion of the Common Man. Then rules don't apply to you. Or at least a lot of people think they shouldn't.
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    As per your own definition, a siege implies a besieger that is trying to break in or force surrender.
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    For clarity's sake. If 7/10 is a sally, that implies a siege was in place at that point. So when I called 'siege' a hyperbole, that is the situation I was referring to.
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    So PovG used the wrong tense and nhytgbvfeco2 didn't correct it in responding to the quote. Let's not waste more energy on it.
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    The part where Israel was besieging Gaza on the eve of 7/10. It seems you're trying to build a metaphor on top of a hyperbole (siege). Perhaps not surprising you end up with a euphemism ("sally" for...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Of course it is, but once labeled as an Israeli apologist, everything I say must be contradicted out of principle.



    That analogy makes no sense, so it is not surprising if any logic built upon...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    We're discussing the degrees to which Hamas and Israel are responsible for civilian deaths in Gaza since 7/10. For Hamas' responsibility, all that matters is whether they got the reaction they...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    It's the difference between 7/10 being an act of terrorism vs an act of war. Hardly inconsequential for what was to follow.



    You do not have to convince me Israel is responsible for there being...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Much of this I would say to be true as well, with one exception: Hamas is not "a group from Gaza", they are the government of Gaza. That's rather a big difference in terms of the response you can...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Israel is not a monolithic state. A sizable proportion of its people have been willing to accept a 2 state solution even if the far right and settlers communities are utterly against it. On October...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    That pretty much describes how I feel about your responses.
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    It seems to me I've rather consistently pointed out what Hamas' responsibility is, but that in response I get neither refutation nor acknowledgement. Instead your arguments are along the line of...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    I could ask what claims I failed to stand by, but I'm probably not going to get an answer to that either.



    Then don't do it for me. Or do you really want to wait until someone else actually...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    You are taking the liberty to criticize my position without taking any yourself. And no, it is obviously not irrelevant to know that one of the parties that can end the war is one that is quite...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    There's that brick wall again. To know it is irrelevant, you have to know what it is.
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Which part do you think they're responsible for?
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Count yourself lucky. Lip service is more than I got from you regarding Hamas' responsibility.
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    This is simply incorrect. My argument was never to shift all of the blame on Hamas, just substantial part. I have[\I] outlined what I believe are the responsibilities of both sides and I [have] said...
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    Evidently that is not how I see the debate is trending. From my perspective, it seems like apart from the events of 7/10 itself, it is a litany of accusations addressed to Israel, which IMHO...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    It very much looks like it to me though. For instance:



    If we disregard historical debt, as you say you do, it is simply a conflict between a weak polity (Hamas-run Gaza) and a powerful state...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    First of all, thanks for engaging with the question at all. I'm serious.

    I don't disagree at all that Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank were in a difficult position in the period leading up...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    So your answer is Hamas didn't do anything because they could not. If we assume that is so, why did they launch the attack on October 7th anyway?
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    Alright, let me try a different angle. I've been trying to argue for ages what I believe Hamas is responsible for in terms of the conflict's death toll. But I haven't heard it from some of you.
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Does one ambiguous line from the minister of economy determine how the war is conducted and to what end? Do the opinions of the mayor of a hamlet of 1700 people?
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    One thing you do understand but do not want to highlight is that evidently the right to self defense extends to eliminating the threat.

    Next, we know the use of human shields is considered...
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    It would/will be ethnic cleansing if 'evacuation' meant pushing people over the border with no guarantee of a safe return. And let's face it, any guarantees from Israel would have little credibility....
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    I don't disagree, but I do think the prospect of self determination needs to be tangible from the start. Netanyahu's plan for Gaza is too much like replicating the situation on the West Bank. It is a...
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    I think it was kind of inherent in Nazism that once the Nazi state was defeated, belief in the ideology was also largely defeated. In the case of both Germany and Japan, though self determination of...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    To my knowledge, there never was any serious risk of the Allies facing a Nazi grassroots resistance movement in post-war occupied Germany.



    I don't think we should we disregard the Holocaust...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Pitting prisoner against fellow prisoner. The Nazi's used it to administer occupied territories and even the concentration camps themselves. Wonder if Israel can find enough people to play the...
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    Herculaneum scrolls breakthrough

    First passages of rolled-up Herculaneum scroll revealed



    Last I heard they'd only been able to read a few characters!
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Tricky. As far as Rafah is concerned, even if Hamas wanted to evacuate civilians (doubtful IMHO), I don't think they control any potential evacuation zones anymore? Unless there is a way out for...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Alternatively, Israel has been 'getting away with it' because other countries would reserve for themselves the right to respond in a similar fashion when attacked by a terrorist regime.
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    The situation in Rafah is obviously special, because there's nowhere left within Gaza to evacuate to unless Israel makes provisions for it. If those provisions do not materialize or fall short, then...
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    Pax Augusta: Roman era city builder

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    Pax Augusta is a one-developer project. Looks impressive though.
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Well that is something. And you're right there are definitely voices in Israel that seem to advocate this. But they're not necessarily the ones in control of the war. Furthermore I don't agree it is...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    I am prepared to defend my arguments, but I am tired of responding to the ones you incorrectly attribute to me. It's pointless. For instance:



    Which is ironic, because YOU brought up the Berlin...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    I feel the same way.




    This sentence does not make sense either. Most European countries were overrun by the Nazis and in fact did capitulate when further resistance was futile. Yes, there was...
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    Re: Hamas attacks southern Israel

    Yes, I know you're point of view. You view the role of Hamas in this conflict as peripheral and 7/10 a mere pretext for Israel to carry out its long term goals.




    In war it is expected of...
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