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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    I don't think you understand what I am saying; either that or you simply don't care that a huge 'BIAS' in reporting that exists.

    According to Walter Ricciardi:
    "Only 12 per cent of death...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    Ye the virus scaremongers (similarly to those climate scaremongers), don't want you too see it [article] for fear their dishonesty would be reveled. :P
    In the meantime here in Australia the...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    If a patient test positive for both Influenza + Covid-19 & time of death, and we a reporting it as a Coivid-19 death, then there is a serious BIAS at work here. Because reality is that we a seeing...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Sorry need to re-post this conversation I had in another tread (maybe the two threads should be merged- as they are basically identical). I briefly touched on this a few post back on this tread, but...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    Yup I totally agree with you Infidel144, the above quote is what I posted a week ago in the other covid-19 threat. Only you said it much clearer with good reference. Rep points for you Mister ヽ(・∀・)ノ...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    I generally disagree with your statement. Firstly, no one is arguing you don't take precautions- we should still encourage such things as good hand-washing, wearing of face mask while in public etc....
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Covid-19 has been around since Oct-Nov 2019 (that's 5-6 months) yet its nowhere near the rate of Influenza about 3 to 5 million cases per year of severe illness; around 290,000 to 650, 000 deaths.
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    We know that fiscal expansion, not austerity, is the best response so this is a a good start, albeit some issues still need to be ironed out (but no doubt this is a good things -no argument here). ...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    I would be happy to.


    NO! my argument is that Both MERS + SARS have a much greater CFR of 35% & 10% respectively. While influenza results of around 650,000 death + 5 million cases annually. But...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Some interesting stats here comparing MERS, SARS, INFLUENZA, Covid-19.

    MERS= 35% death rate (2,500 cases)
    SARS= 10% death rate (8,000 cases)
    COVID= 4% current death rate. ( currently about...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Ye I agree.
    Here there has been x1 deaths over 60, one death over 80, all other death over 70. I did a bit of research on some of the individuals & all had underlying health conditions -as you said...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    "Parliament in Hungary is expected to pass an extension to the emergency law which would give the authorities extraordinary powers during the covid-19 pandemic. Such bill would allow Orban to rule...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Ye I suspect depression, mental health, suicide rates, domestic violence (already seeing a HUGE surge over the last few weeks) etc. will go through the roof as people loose their employment, loose...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Ye, I think I might have said that somewhere, but not precisely- i think people should pick & choose as there will be side-effects (I am pretty sure I also said that somewhere) i.e. I would...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    This is unsafe & just plain bad practice & will only contribute to more patients dying. w(°o°)w
    We are running 1:1 (when in comes to invasive-ventilation).



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    NWM I found the article...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    The 'normal' ratio for invasive ventilation is 1:1. (at least in most developed countries I know of- & if there are some 'backward' countries that use 1:5 ratios -I would run immediately- as you...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    What good are '10s of thousands' ventilators (lets say hypothetically there wasn't a shortage), when you don't have the staff that know how to use a ventilator/are trained in how to administer...
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    Sticky: Re: I'm currently listening to

    @Turkafinwë
    an appropriate song for the current climate (๑˃́ꇴ˂̀)
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    double post
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Because the factories that produce them have been shut-down & workers laid off. (º0º )
    I mean it should be fairly obvious that when you fock-up the economy there isn't going to be 'enough" of...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Ye if don't flatten the curve the pandemic will not last as long but more people will die as health-care systems around the world buckle under the immense pressure.
    On the other-hand Covid-19...
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    Sticky: Re: I'm currently listening to

    BuZCnRTPSmM
    This one brings on sweet memories. Its 'DESTINY' & it was on the Medieval Total war II soundtrack -the game that originally brought me here way back in 2009. (°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ᴗ°̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥ )
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    I believe the latter is true. For example as late into the outbreak (codiv-19 had been around since November), as of March 8 -Italy has carried out only 826 test per million people as opposed to...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Only the black death had a mortality rate of 30-60%; while covid-19 is on the scale of 1%. Septicemic plague in untreated individuals had a 100% mortality rate. So this is clearly not "Black Death...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    OH! the price of freedom -maybe they also know granny has roughly the same odds of dying of influenza (which has a CFR of roughly 0.1-0.5%), or as a result of death from injuries sustained due to...
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    Hey man, whatya laffing at!!!
    This would be easily achieved- just confiscate their wheeled walkers (๑˃́ꇴ˂̀)
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    Re: COVID-19: A bloody battle or a long war?

    @Kyriakos
    Ironically Australia's CFR is about 0.5% -however the CFR might be considerably less than 0.5%- if we assume that “the number of asymptomatic/minimally symptomatic cases is several times...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    @ Sarin,
    I didn't say I was a fan of "natural selection', personally would love to live forever but I accept that would not be normal -the planet would be a crowded place- besides its already too...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    Natural selection at work- old & weak must die, while the strong survive. Don't blame Trump/Pompeo.

    The best we can do is 'flatten the curve' but make mistake 60% of population will get infected...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    This...:thumbsup2

    Plus the fact the predicted CFR for COVID-19 is only about 1% which gives it roughly the same odds as dying of injuries suffered in an automobile accident- one will be stupid to...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    Hopefully the Dutch can show'zem howsit done!!!
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    Yeah was going from memory; i remembered 80% (when i read report few day ago) so I must have assumed 20% need hospitalisation. It's good to know it much less- only 5%. Another reason why all this...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    Ah well there you go, so it's even better that the 20% WHO reported :) -only 5% need hospitalisation; 2% ICU; 1% Ventilation (I assume this includes both invasive & non-invasive- non-invasive again...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    It can be risky. You'd have to know enough about the virus. Covid-19 seems to be mild - WHO reports 80% of people don't need hospitalisation and show only mild symptoms to asymptomatic.
    It only...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    I doubt all 20% admitted would require ICU bed or Invasive Ventilation etc. Oxygen therapy can also be admitted in the wards etc.
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    So what if its higher than the flu. 1% is so low that it puts it on par with dying as a result of an injury sustained in an automobile (which include pedestrians, bicyclists and motorcyclists...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    As I said these 20% would not be new cases -as I said the mean of covid-19 requiring admission to hospital was around 75-80 all having existing health Mhx of respiratory disease, heart disease,...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    Geesus Geneva;

    Do do you even bother to look at the links i post- I already discussed the CFR & why 3-4% is likely an overestimation due to the biased way CFR is calculated.



    That is ironic...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    @Ludicus,

    WHO is saying that that 80% of infections are mild or asymptomatic. So I don't see why heard immunity would not work here. Immunise 80% of the population while isolate & if needed treat...
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    Re: Coronavirus outbreak - From China to the World.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/14...o-pandemonium/
    “You cannot just enforce a cure,” Nisperos said. “You cannot use the power of the gun to mitigate the spread of the disease. But this is ...
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