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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    HH just out of curiosity, can you name some organisations that you would call far right?
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    I don't think it's been answered by HH though and I don't think this answer would be his.
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    For arguments' sake let's assume that's the case. So we have a commonality in the means. A bit of backward reasoning, but ok. Tell me where's the commonality in the ends. Because let's face it, no...
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    ..... and they are?
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    So you already narrowed down a political philosophy to economic policies and then further narrow it down by qualifying it with 'in essence'. What is this 'essence' you are referring to?



    Well,...
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    Then again, the burden of proof is not on him, but on you. You're the one arguing for a paradigm shift. I sure hope you realise that. The author of the article in the OP did. The only way he managed...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Politicians love to blame others? How about voters? Politicians at least have a good reason to want to blame others: they are accountable. Voters blaming their politicians otoh is entirely...
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    You know where this is going wrong? By conflating intent and outcome. I would not hesitate to agree that there are many similarities between authoritarian socialist regimes and fascist regimes,...
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    Ok to summarize, if you disregard the nationalism, racism, fascism and mysogeny and the like, National Socialism fits 'socialism' perfectly fine, because it's not capitalism and has the word...
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    Thing is, even parties everyone know are pretty much single issue parties, tend to formulate positions on a wide range of issues. That's pretty much the case with the populist right in Europe. They...
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    Ludicus, it seems to me your point is that those economic models should matter greatly. I completely agree. My impression is though, that 'the left' are not succeeding to make that agenda central to...
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    Yes basics, a side effect of our evolution has been our ability to reason ourselves (and others) out of our instinctive sense of guilt and into actions/behaviour we instinctively feel is wrong"....
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    I admit this is going out on a limb, but there might be something to it: The phenomenon you describe might be a remnant from times when all (official) power was assumed to come from God. If all power...
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    I didn't miss it. I just thought it was entirely unrelated to the bit I responded to.

    Nevertheless, taking the thread title at face value, is there anything left of 'the left'? I think there is,...
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    Predictable:



    Pretty much confirms exactly what I said: If you don't consider the purpose of statism important, then there's no difference between fascism and socialism. As I said, this is a...
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    Same quotes, but this time by a right wing newspaper. I take it that will make all the difference. :no:

    Hitler was not a socialist, even if he did stash champagne


    As the article starts out...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    EU agrees extension to 31st of January 2020

    Bring on the elections (and the popcorn)!
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    I'm not going to bother arguing. It does not take 'modern leftists' to distance Nazism from socialism. You can read this and make up your own mind if you haven't already, that is.
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    There is of course an important difference between the concepts of an ideology on the one hand and how people interpret and apply those concepts in practice. For instance, all Christian sects as far...
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    Indeed and so it comes down to whether, a foetus has to be regarded a person before the law and what rights should come with it. Assuming we dismiss religious grounds for determining what makes a...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Ah, that quote is 2 days old?
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    Re: Is there anything left of The Left?

    Nationalism holds shared national identity is the focus of politics and overcomes anything that divides a country's nationals, wherehas socialism holds that economic classes are the focus of...
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    If you believe ceasing to enforce God's will by means of the law is bad, does that mean you're a proponent of theocracy?
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Ok, looked it up.Looks like voting 'yes' in second reading but 'no' on the timetable means "we're not rejecting it, but we're not sold on it yet either". After amendments a 3rd reading will have to...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    puzzling. If parliament voted for the Brexit legislation, exactly what remains to be done?
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Hmm, the optics of the 'out of touch' parliament. Although I understand the exasperation, I do think that to qualify parliament as 'out of touch' is unfair. Considering the small margin in favour of...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Ah well it's an interesting discussion, but perhaps a bit too abstract/off topic for this thread.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    If you're a professional on a subject, yes. Otherwise, leave it to the professionals.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Yah, which is something they called themselves, probably for propaganda reasons. As anyone with a knowledge of socialism would know 'national socialist' is a contradiction in terms.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    @Caratacus You think so? It actually seemed to me the Letwin vote showed the deal could be really close to passing. Some of those voting for an extension even said they would vote for the deal...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Pff, well apparently the letter to request another extension has been sent, though not signed by Boris. What he did sign is an accompanying letter saying he believes an extension would be a mistake. ...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Ah, well as an inhabitant of that city, let me advise you that a visit to the red light district, however thorough and comprehensive, does not amount to 'doing amsterdam' :whistling
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Hmm, in my country all decisions arise through compromise. All our governments require coalitions. There are no outright 'winners' and 'losers'. IMHO it's for the better. Perhaps that is why I do not...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Terms like EUSSR and allusions to a 4th Reich are not applicable to the current situation. There are two ways in which that threat could appear real to someone. Firstly a very strong belief in a...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Nothing special about that. Between leave and remain, leave is the choice for hard capitalism. It is underpinned by the belief that the EU is over-regulated and that de-regulating will help gain the...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Simple. He has achieved something few would think possible but the thing he achivied only addresses the concerns of the ERG at the expense of magnifying those of the DUP. As for the EU, only if you...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Here's one thing that changed:



    Which is a step in the right direction from the Brexiteer perspective. They want to be able to gain a competitive edge by lowering those standards after all.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Heh, from Barnier's press conference I can see why the DUP don't like it. It looks as if NI will remain aligned with the EU, but the responsibility for maintaining that status will rest with the NI...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    DUP rejects deal 'as things stand'

    So ... what now. As things stand, a deal might be reached but it will face the exact same situation in Parliament that May's deal did, with the DUP as well as a...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Your quoting the Guardian probably means everything will be dismissed as "Mainstream Media doing the bidding of the Liberal Elites".

    Now I would not disagree that the rapid expansion of the EU...
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