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    I am truly wondering currently if the problem maybe isn't that both parties vetting processes have fallen apart, but genuinely if there is a lack of candidates for both parties available that fit...
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    Poll: Re: UK election thread

    I am truly wondering currently if the problem maybe isn't that both parties vetting processes have fallen apart, but genuinely if there is a lack of candidates for both parties available that fit...
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    Poll: Re: UK election thread

    It appears such an own goal with this indeed- they literally created controversy out of nothing- they're doing the same yesterday too with the Corbyn=Stalin and then refusing to say that being...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    So to make everything that much more amusing. The Government who have been plugging the line of 'give us an election' 'man up' etc in an attempt to get a GE (That is knife-edged, particularly as more...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    EDIT- Sorry from formatting- the first paragraph is from my post elsewhere..and then i added a load to it here :D. Also Elmetiacos beat me to it with a 'to the point' summary which is very accurate. ...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Good question. Ostensibly they are behind it (and certainly the media jumped on trying to tie them to it)...but each to varying degrees, and its indeed not a firm commitment to Boris, more just...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I'd say a very fair analysis of this current situation here. It's also just kicked something in my brain- Johnson attempting to speed through the May-Boris deal without any proper parliamentary...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Indeed, in fairness the Government were really chancing it by attempting to bring it back again in same form considering its such a basic precedent, the complaints against it today did not have a leg...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    According to earlier this morning essentially 90% of Mays 600 odd page deal is exactly the same. Boris has only changed these things (essentially stuff to do with the backstop and changing the...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Well speak of the Devil- Boris has just announced on twitter that we have a deal. No details beyond it 'takes back control', however...

    The DUP have just said they still do not support it. It...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Indeed, it seems Brexit is now mired not due to the remain factions, but the different leave groups all wanting their own particular interpretation.

    However, it appears (for now at least) that...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    This is indeed the Government's view, and its a fair one- the Fixed Term Parliament Act is doing what is was designed to do (I wonder how much the Conservatives regret agreeing to it with the...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Absolutely spot on and well argued mate. Its partly the tension at Labours heart over Brexit, it is not simply its electoral base that are split, but also its leadership. I firmly do believe whoever...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Your May example doesn't at all illustrate that precisely though mate, it backs up my point about how important the effect of media and narrative is and how its not at all fundamentally unknowable....
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    As i said though, politically the opposition won't VoNC until they can get some political benefit, likewise Boris wants one asap as that is where his best political benefit lies.

    Regardless of...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    So it appears potentially Boris has just created another political mess for himself- his comments tonight about Jo Cox and arguments over the divisive rhetoric he used- his replies to which were not...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Except Judges from the early 80s have been pulled in to act as constitutional guardians. So not Blairite, but a Longridge trend- again get a written constitution to solve this as this is the reality...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Interesting about Roman law, i didn't know that and spot on in terms of the two legal systems being in conflict currently, and moreover the political capital any ruling will generate for the SNP (as...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    It's Scottish law that is being used and analysed when the Scottish case is being considered (as there are essentially two concurrent cases being dealt with- One the Government appeal against...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I think just to weigh in on the debate about uninformed voters- whatever impact that may be argued to have or not, i don't think it really impacts the legitimacy of the referendums first result,...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    This is true essentially- though the EU too might as you say simply grant an extension and then things continue on. But short of:

    -Scotland leaving the UK soon (which will change parliamentary...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    May's red lines were indeed an issue, they were unrealistic particularly in negotiation with a larger power like the EU. You support a particular interpretation of leave (at odds i'd say with the...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    As always agreed here, though i'd advocate a less partisan :P and fuller interpretation by highlighting both sides role. You have the ERG and so-called 'hard line' brexiteers who voted down May's...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    No indeed, i didn't imply recession (that's a nuclear interpretation indeed), but more political instability as i've described and economic instability in terms of as we've seen now, markets losing...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I agree, indeed its exactly what i argued in the post before that on page 136- though in a less concise and clear way than you've put it here mate :P- that a May deal or version of it, is the best...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Do tell me to shut up if i've totally misread what you guys are discussing here as i suspect i may have :P. But while you are indeed right that politics, states and policies are ever changing, there...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    In terms of the short term, i think your idea here is indeed viable as one of the best ways forward. The issue being i can't see any party willing to essentially compromise like that (A problem that...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    The issue being that a referendum would only be decisive because sure, its currently likely to return a 'Remain' result- which is exactly what those advocating a second ref want. Which indeed would...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    The issue simply (and this is one of Boris's and Cummings own making entirely i'm afraid) is that they overreached massively last week in terms of proruging (which is now a real quagmire for them-...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Just to add to my post on the last page about how Boris's polling for a GE has slid to dangerous territory:




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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855



    The Constitutional crisis deepens. So Scotland's highest court (Civil as this is not a criminal matter, but a constitutional one) has ruled the...
  32. Re: Diane Abbott criticises UK counter-terror policies

    I'll take that, cheers mate, though i'm sure there will be others who very much disagree :P

    That's a fair position, if i remember rightly 95thrifleman and me had an exchange on this a few months...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I can see that very much as a possibility (ever since Boris stated that it was only the backstop he was seeking to renegotiate). He doesn't need the DUP anymore as he's literally lost his majority...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Some good points here, i think though where Boris has repeated May's mistake is the over-reliance on a small select group of advisers at the expense of building bridges with his wider party. A big...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    In terms of the EU's impact its indeed a recognized feature of changing the UK's constitutional make-up- specifically with a shift (like the Supreme Court) to legalism as the UK's courts became...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    That is something i couldn't fathom, given that she was essentially tipped as May's protege its been very odd that she sat around so long, or that she chose now to resign. Its not even if such a move...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Ok firstly some background to Legitimacy in the Westminster system, there are tons of academic articles on this (Going back to the nightmares of my first dissertation indeed), but here's a simple run...
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    I suspect your right @95thrifleman though surely they'd not really need pandering to at this point, its not as if they'll vote Tory.

    I'll have to look into this further, i fully accept that there...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    You miss my point, by the courts doing that, the brexiteers like IDS are already crafting a narrative of a broad 'establishment' vs the leave vote, which includes said courts. That the Government...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    A fair analysis i'd say. Though the Conservatives would have to get rid of Cummings and potentially thus Boris for any pact to be made as he would block it according to an ERG source:

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