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  1. Re: The latest complain about Turkey thread (get your daily Turkish delight of bad publicity here)!

    ^ The above statement (and map) is misleading.



    Turkey seeks to enforce the Lausanne Treaty (articles 13, 14) governing the islands of Lemnos and Samothrace. Conveniently, Turkey has...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    This is stooping to surrealism. Let me spell it out.

    1. I'm not saying the Nazis are something less than totalitarian, but something more. Arendt was claiming that too, in 1947. I've given you...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    So, your argument has now devolved to a flurry of insults? Right-o. I've given you all the sources I used. They are free access. Feel free to read them yourself and prove us I am...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    So, your argument now is “I’m not talking about her work in general, just this one book which supports my argument – don’t bring up the others that destroy her argument?”.

    Right.

    I wrote that...
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    So, your argument is basically… everything is just lies? Fine. Let me show you why you have been wrong about Arendt. Do you remember when I told you that you needed to read the whole thing, and not...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    So, you can understand the difference between a government implementing a socialistic law to keep the masses from revolting, and a socialist government! Thank God.




    That would be true, if a)...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    Are you maybe missing the point on purpose now? I don't know how to convey this any clearer. National socialism was the elites' reaction to the threat of socialism ever since the German unification....
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    This is just sad, man. What Temin does is a strict comparison of policies between the Nazis and the Soviets to come to the conclusion that they are the same. For fifty-eight pages there's no...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    It’s obvious we don’t transmit in the same frequencies. Let’s go through the basics then. When I call Temin’s argument absurd, it’s because he has to change definitions to fit his narrative. A...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    As I have already written, there's no evidence to suggest the Nazis planned to restructure society in a Utopian vision - unless Temin argues the extermination of subhuman groups is 'restructuring...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    I'm sorry Thesaurian, but this is not an agree to disagree case. I'm calling Temin's assertion absurd, because in order to make his allegation stick he needs to depict the Soviet socialism as a 'war...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    I'm sorry I don't have the time to hammer out a proper reply for you today, Thesaurian. I'll get down to it asap - however, let me answer at least one part of it.



    Temin's abstract, as printed...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    This reply shows exactly why you'd think Hitler was a socialist. Let me illuminate you on a couple of things.

    Marxism is an economic philosophy that tells you what's wrong with capitalism....
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    Alright, here's the unbridged version:

    Whenever you compare two things, you do it to conceptualize one of three things:

    a) Are they the same?
    b) Are they different?
    c) Which one is better?
    ...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    Despite your graphic imagery of hills, baileys and death, you missed my point. Both the OP and HH have argued consistently that Hitler’s regime was socialist here and in a previous thread. To prove...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    1. Before you posted, this discussion was about how Nazis are not comparable to the socialists and Marxists, as the OP and HH have insisted on multiple times. Changing the subject to whether the...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    The bold part is wrong. Firstly there are other right-wing authoritarian governments like the monarchy. Fascism doesn't fall on the left, but on the far right of the spectrum. It is right wing...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    1. Nazism and Fascism were nationalist reactions to the spread of communism and socialism in Europe in 1900-1930s. The similarities you observe correctly have more to do with the fascists co-opting...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    Heathen isn't confusing Nazis and socialists by accident. He just wishes so much these two were the same to support his worldview. His whole gimmick is to keep repeating the same argument, no matter...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    Conservatives always support fascist governments, it's kinda like two peas in a pot.
    Conservatives supported Franco in Spain.
    Conservatives supported Mussolini in Italy.
    Conservatives supported...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    Over two threads and multiple posts, both you and Heathen Hammer have claimed that Nazis are similar to Marxists and socialists. Not only Soviets in particular, which is also an egregious lie, but...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    You mean you have no further arguments against these? Thank you for ceding the points.



    Yes, it has been criticized and rightly so. But you're wrong it did not include active imperialist...
  23. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    Are there no Western pro-turkish scholars? How did you come to this conclusion? Even PointofView provided western scholars who support the official Turkish positions, like Ericson. Are they ruined?...
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    Re: Capitalism and the Second World War cont.

    Oh, Cope... Since you are using one of my posts for this, here's all my points.







    Integral of course are Morticia's points here and here.
  25. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    The case of Germany should inform you that responsibility for war crimes still carries after you rebrand yourself into a new state.
  26. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    If the US State knew/goaded Cuomo to rape someone, looked the other way during the act, and provided assistance for Cuomo to rape (like, I don't know, delivering the girl to his condo themselves...)...
  27. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    I took the liberty to break down your question since you ask two completely different things.

    Regarding academia, what you're describing here is common practice. Are there scholars who would...
  28. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    So, I wrote the wrong acronym and suddenly my entire argument is false? Gotcha... You're just struggling to prove us wrong, by clutching on by the tiniest mistake. Is it or is it not a genocide? If...
  29. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    This whole argument you're stirring up is a misdirection; the fact remains that after the Armistice of Mundros, the CUP party was forced by the Entente to court-marshal and condemn to death Enver...
  30. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    You failed, consistently, to understand what I write. Read it again. Take your time. For your benefit, here's the summation one more time.

    A tribunal was set up in 1919 in Instabul where the...
  31. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    Finally. An adequate summation of my arguments from you. To sum up, yes: a tribunal was set up in 1919 in Instabul where the Ottomans originally found a series of easy targets (like Enver) guilty of...
  32. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    I got it from the bold part of your reply. You wrote the trials were more about punishing the Ottomans about repelling the Gallipoli campaign than what happened to the Armenians. I asked you whether...
  33. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    So, according to you the Armenian genocide was a front by the British to punish the Ottomans for the failed Gallipoli campaign? Can you provide any evidence for this? Or that the armenian issue...
  34. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    I didn't understand what your argument here is exactly. You don't accept sources of the time because they are not 'real', and you don't accept the sources from the tribunals of Istanbul/Malta because...
  35. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    That's a double misrepresentation of my posts. I wrote that the Istanbul and Malta tribunals were the same process, and that the deportees had to be relocated to Malta for security reasons. What's...
  36. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    The heart of the issue is that the Ottoman empire decided to forcibly relocate at least a million and a half during a time of (as admitted already) widespread famine, pestilence and war. In such a...
  37. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    You deny the number of Armenians present in 1915, how many were relocated, and how many were the dead; you deny the routes taken during the marches; you deny Lemkin's own televised testimony for his...
  38. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    I gave you more than twenty sources combined for everything I wrote and you dismissed them all as propaganda without any other evidence than your word. That's your right, of course. But you haven't...
  39. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    Once again, Lempkin went on CBS and specifically said that he got interested in the concept of genocide because of the Armenian case, and the murder of Talaat Pasha. I'm sorry if this video...
  40. Re: Armenian Genocide - recognition and denialism, the politics

    What you actually wrote is that Lempkin did not base his genocide crusade influenced by the Armenian genocide. The interview in CBS tells a different story. Now, you can argue that Lempkin was going...
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