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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Now you're being wrong again. Context matters. We're talking about the case where a racist is taking action against an individual of a minority. We're not talking the music industry where racial...
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    Wrong. I asked an action towards a minority, not an action in support of racism. Racist action towards a minority can only be violent since the entire principle of racism is the domination of a race...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Prove it. Tell me a racist action towards a minority that isn't at least a misdemeanor.

    Prove your second point. What are racist talkpoints if not slander and defamation of groups?
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Hate speech in the context of 1A, yes. Hate speech is fundamentaly political speech directed at certain groups of citizens that incites to hatred for them. Which thankfully brings me to the final...
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    And this is you, Infidel, being a dishonest debater. You are trying more to "prove" me wrong than to debate whether there is limits to what is considered political speech under the first amendment....
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Section A: The Legal Groundwork


    1) In 1993, a young African American named Mitchell motivated a group of friends to go and beat up a white boy who happened to pass by, since they have been...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    That's correct on both questions. What Meechan did was to publicly trivialize the Holocaust, as you can see from the reasoning of the Judge who first states





    His reasoning is specifically...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    @Ep1c,

    Dude, incitement to violence and harrassment are part of the term. It's obvious we have an issue over terms here. Hate speech, according to Cambridge Dictionary, is



    According to...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    So, you can understand the difference between getting prosecuted by the state and getting prosecuted by an individual? How curious! Because you have been denying this for the last ten posts or so. I...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Unsuprisingly, you willfully misrepresent what I say. Let me make it clear for you.

    a) We're discussing about hate speech in online communications based on the Meecham incident. We are NOT...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    You don't understand a basic premise of law, Ep1c. Since by no means a lawmaker can be exhaustive to cover the entire spectrum of human criminality or predict future trends or future technologies to...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    @Aexodus, Ep1c_Fa1l, Infidel,


    What I said is that in the US due to the obstacle of the first ammendment, the lawmakers have taken the long route and broken down how to deal with hate speech by...
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    As you can see from the article you shared before (here), it depends on the case. On the case of Vermont representative Kiah Morris, it didn't protect hate speech due to the fact that the...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Did you or did you not say the following



    discussing the coverage or not of hate speech? So, according to you laws limiting offensive speech is authoritarian garbage. Well, let's see what...
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    Of course! The media are elite propaganda. I suspect that the academic community is also equally compromized so giving you an academic source on how Brazil has descended into fascism [2] will also be...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    @Aexodus,

    as you can see from the Vermont case, the whole decision laid on the fact that the slighted party was part of government (a democrat for the house of representatives of Vermont) and the...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Carlin's case was dropped for a year, then the network that aired it uncensored got fined by the FCC and the Supreme court upheld the decision. The fact that Carlin's case was dropped by the...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    No, what I am saying is that your notion of freedom of speech as an unlimited concept where you can go about and say anything you like doesn't exist. I brought up libel laws, profanity laws,...
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    I am right because the argument is whether freedom of speech means you can go around and insult people at will. You can't. Freedom of speech is specifically limited when "fighting words" are uttered,...
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    I said freedom of speech doesn't constitute the right to speak your bigoted misconceptions whenever and wherever you like; the limitations in time, space, manner, and public forum proves this...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    I quote,



    I'm sorry for the confusion because this is two arguments, not the same argument. I'm trying to answer you and Aexodus' reservations at the same time and there's differences between...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    I haven't forgotten about you, Infidel.

    This is the second time you come in a thread I'm debating and try to disrupt it by misrepresenting what I say, what you say, what the entire context is. It...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    I said people are losing their minds over the media hysteria. I did not say "you are losing your mind" to anyone. So I don't need to answer anything. Because you're misrepresenting what I said. Why...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Go ahead and report me. I didn't say that to my interlocutors and you know it. What I said is that the media hysteria has whipped us into blowing a handful of cases way, way, way out of proportion....
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    Read them again; the articles show a wide variety of things this man has said before his election, and during it. He threatened to turn to the army for a coup if he wasn't elected; he definitely...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    How can you possibly think that freedom of speech is allowing you to say someone is inferior to you because of their ethnicity, color, religion, culture? Anywhere in the world freedom of speech...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    It's human rights, so its right up there in the title. It's not white people's rights - nor it should have ever been. Making racial discriminative remarks does harm people because they recycle the...
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    That's unacceptable. Of course we need to discuss because at some point, maybe many years from now something will click, he'll maybe reconsider one tiny thing and then Aexodus will see this image...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Guys, hold on. At some point we must see this issue for what it is: the demand of some people who want to go about and drop mad bigoted bombs left and right, citing their freedom of expression to...
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    What are you on about? Making a racial insult means there's de facto a differentiation between race x and race y, with a qualitative superiority/inferiority implied. The whole purpose of insulting a...
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    This is not a debate in good faith, mate. What kind of evidence do you need exactly? Should I go there and ask him personally, for example? Either accept it, or provide some evidence to contradict...
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    Because I just proved to you with a series of articles that major publications classify Jair Bolsonaro as a fascist. Then I told you that Bolsonaro glorifies a military dictatorship and has called...
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    Fascism is an authoritarian type of government. Saying that something isn't fascist because its authoritarian as if they were two different things and not encompassing each other is an oxymoron.
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    Mate, the link you just shared two replies ago stands to demonstrate than not all prejudiced, even hateful speech is judged by the legal system as "Hate Speech". When a communication causes a...
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    Come on, mate. The Fabians didn't want to sterilize the poor; you're rehashing Guido Fawkes here who claims that Archibald Church was a Fabian and he proposed a bill for voluntary sterilization of...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    I said hate speech can be viewed as incitement to crime. It depends whether causality to an actual crime can be drawn. I think the issue we are having is that you do not trust the judiciary system as...
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    Apparently for some of you to call someone fascist that person must travel back in time to Italy in 1922, be willing to march on foot all the way to Rome, wear a black shirt, be balding and want to...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    There are libel laws when someone spreads lies about another person, Aexodus, so the legal system has already got to this issue. As they have done for the peddling of hate towards specific groups.
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    Ep1c, I don't think that staunch conservativism applies to more than two or three points on the list; I don't think for example that staunch conservativism includes the cult of heroism and cult of...
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    Re: The Myth of Orwellian Network Propaganda

    I think it depends. No one can of course forbid anyone from hating literally anyone else; that's not what I have reservations about. If that's what you're asking then no, it shouldn't be illegal...
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