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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Anyone knows of any good ditches? It seems BoJo can't find one.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Is it? Socialism is characterized by social ownership of the means of production. What in there conflicts with nationalism? The nazis wanted an alternative to internationalist Marxism and adopted a...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Oh yes DUP was thrown under the bus. But it's not like their position wasn't precarious already. Neither did I know that the UK must bend the knee now to Arlene and her cronies. As for me, I have...
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    I'm not sure why the UK is :wub: on Johnson for this tbh. Empty rhetorics aside May's deal was still the base and with that as a starting point the EU is the one that caved big time. The backstop has...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    At least with the circus back in town there is sth fun to watch on the telly again.
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    So far at least I haven't been able to figure out what the fuss is about. I read the transcript, Trump said a lot of rather incomprehensible things as usual, but nothing that seemed like the grand...
  7. Poll: Re: Saudi Arabia: Drone attack against world's largest crude oil refinery

    @95thrifleman
    You see killing a bunch of civvies in the middle of who-cares-where has no direct impact on you. Increased oil prices on the other hand do.

    But to jump on the conspiracy theory...
  8. Poll: Re: Saudi Arabia: Drone attack against world's largest crude oil refinery

    Whoever it was, giving those deplorable Saudis a bloody nose is I believe a good opportunity as any for some well-deserved schadenfreude. :D
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Well look what the cat dragged in. David Cameron, the man behind this mess. The PM who promised to steer the country after the referendum whatever the result, only to summarily quit after he lost it...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Well, arguably the UK government does. Or at least that's what operation Yellowhammer speaks of.
    You can read more here: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49670123
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I am. Most countries in Europe have a parliamentary system. What's your point?
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    That's not true. The LibDems for instance were very critical of Brexit during the 2017 elections and spoke of a second referendum. You may read the 2017 LibDem manifesto here if you have forgotten...
  13. Re: Trump's U-Turns and whether they are U-turns, blunders or simply "changing with the times"

    You can hardly fault a politician for being... adaptable.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    You mean aside from the fact the people actually voted them in just 2 years ago?

    That's quite an assumption to make considering you don't know all that much about these presumed discussions. If...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Ever heard of parliamentary sovereignty? You should look it up. This anachronistic view is simply that, not-current. Strictly speaking the monarch is one of the elements of parliament, along with the...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Form a government without a clear majority support of the country? You mean like every government? No, a government doesn't need a majority support in the country, it needs a majority support in...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    If you check your election ballot, you will see you are asked to vote for an MP, not a government. Parliament is who you vote for. Every MP that enters parliament is a winner and they have their...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Your elected government? Who elected it? The PM? Again, the only elected body in this mess is parliament and BoJo is the one that shut it down. BoJo, the unelected PM. As for elections, yes you have...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    A coup? You mean the prorogation? Indeed BoJo is shutting down the one elected body of this representative democracy that can scrutinize him. Eh? More seriously, I would say one should be careful...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I'm afraid Muizer it's even worse than that. Dante's analysis showcases why the referendum should have never happened, why there is and should be a representative democracy in Britain. But it would...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    That's a bit harsh.
    https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/landscape_928x523/2019/05/f1cc2ed817c0737884a95c35e5aa0e7416ca2a0605a5c55fbb93d2277edd222d-h_2019.jpg
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Shame that rule doesn't apply to referendums eh?
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I agree with that. I also think though that it is an extremely unlikely scenario. Which further cements my belief that Britain is screwed at this point. Nevertheless this is a long term solution,...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    But Dante what can possibly settle Brexit at this point? I mean all this is well and good but the clock is still ticking. A GE solves nothing, at this stage, I believe we can agree on that. Even if...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I was not commenting on intention. But on the feasibility of any kind of such reconciliation at this stage. My point basically being, right now a way out is needed, reconciliation will have to wait....
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I think the ship of reconciliation has already sailed. And arguably higher levels of toxicity would break the laws of physics. Whatever the case may be though the facts remain. Parliament is hung and...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    This simply means a GE now will solve nothing and the best way out of this bad situation started by a bad referendum is another bad referendum n'est-ce pas? And what a sight that would be, a failed...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    A response for arguments sake mostly. You would agree I assume that everyone is better informed than they used to be now, perhaps not well-informed, but certainly better informed. So why not put that...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    To need placation, first the grievances must have been heard. Therefore there was a voice. As for the electoral system I assume you mean the "first past the post" rule. So if UKIP got only a few MPs...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    The British people have had the say afforded to them by their representative system several times throughout the last few years. Every time there was an election for instance. Again the UK is not a...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    The same establishment that voted down May's backstop because it wasn't hard-Brexit enough? No I don't think it's that simple.

    Parliament has failed yes, but not because it went against the...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    From what I have seen at least he wasn't anti-Brexit per se as much as he was pro-parliament and since parliament is decisively anti-no-deal-Brexit, as clearly shown last week, it only makes sense...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    If the UK leaves and then asks to rejoin the EU it will have to.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Have we reached peak stupid yet?
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-parliament-johnson/uk-pm-prepares-plan-to-legally-stop-brexit-extension-the-telegraph-idUSKCN1VT0SG
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Join Schengen + Join Euro etc. That sounds like a great outcome to me. I would be quite happy not to have to buy pounds ever again. Not to mention avoiding all those annoying border checks in London.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    I guess it would. But that doesn't mean it can't happen.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Normally I would agree with this. But when I read things like that: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-brexit-eu-legal-prison-no-deal-brussels-latest-a9095976.html it makes...
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    Oh yes, the difference is shocking. US Congress seems... civilized in comparison. But on the other hand watching a Congress session isn't anywhere near as entertaining as the Westminster Circus.
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    Re: Brexit - Time to scrap it and start again?

    The divisions caused by the referendum across the constituent nations of the UK gives one a new appreciation of vetoes.
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    Re: Populist Coalition Government in Italy broken

    Well Salvini seems to have overplayed his greedy little hand and instead of getting the elections and PM seat he seems to have wanted, he is instead out of government. On the other hand being now in...
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