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    Ugh.

    As I've just stated, recognition by itself, without mention of borders or literally anything else, wouldn't harm Israelis. How many more times will I have to repeat this statement?

    I'm...
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    As Muizer said.


    Because I assumed actions tied to such a recognition, and those would harm Israelis. Recognition by itself with nothing attached I suppose doesn't harm Israeli citizens, but I...
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    If you paid any attention, you'd notice the discussion was about the blockade before the war.
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    I was just pointing out that 67 aren't borders, and never will be. Next I continued to engage in your hypothetical, and wondered what you think recognising them as borders achieves.



    You failed...
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    1967 wasn't a border, and will never be. 'Recognizing' it would do literally nothing if no further steps are taken.


    Surrender what?
    Do besieging armies typically provide food, water, medicine,...
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    Withdrawing from territory it claims, does.


    It's just endlessly amusing that 37% is not even worth considering, but 38% in favour of establishing settlements in Gaza is taken as a representation...
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    Ah, I see, you're saying it was 32% in 2013 and then it fell to 37% in 2014. And, as we all know, 37 is less than 32.

    A very odd statement. Non-Jeiwsh Israelis have equal say.

    *Even* if we...
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    I want an honest yes or no on the following question: tomorrow a two-state solution is signed between Israel and the PA. Do you think Hamas accepts it and stops the armed conflict?


    So there was...
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    You mean by destroying Hamas? True. But this is the only means Israel has to ending the war. Anything else would lead to a short ceasefire that Hamas would violate whenever it becomes convenient to...
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    "High civilian casualties would add to the worldwide pressure on Israel to stop the war, Sinwar's message said"
    For those who keep denying that maximizing palestinian casualties is Hamas's strategy.
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    That's fine, we're used to being hated. We prefer to be hated and alive, than dead and.. well, still hated.


    No, they do not. The president is a ceremonial position, he doesn't decide a thing....
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    Only one of those with a say is the PM, but do quote the relevant statements by the PM and the president. And this better not just be the amalec thing again. You're comparing having a ministry be...
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    With one common denominator: none of them have a say in the matter.


    Are ministries not typically located within cities? Is the Turkish MOD not in Ankara? Does this make Ankara a legitimate...
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    It's ironic that you're talking about failure to make an argument, when you didn't even make one in your last post.

    I want to decrease their suffering, and that's best achieved by evacuating them...
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    Maybe I should create a group called 'The Palestinian issue' which I'd link in my signature, where I explain how actually displacing 1.5 million people into the desert and having the vast majority of...
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    You're the one who wants them to remain in an active warzone and suffer. I wish for peace with them.

    Had Egypt not invaded Israel in 1948 there may well have not been any displacement of people...
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    Well, if it's a fact then you can easily show how this is the only area not being bombed at all and that everywhere else outside of it is uninhabitable, right?

    Well, you've chosen to ignore the...
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    That's a weak argument and you know it. Israel is not forcing them into that specific part of Rafah.

    What you think those desires are, and what they actually are, are wildly different things.
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    Who's forcing them to be crammed into specifically that part?

    Indeed, it is an occupation, that's what I said. Once the conditions are right, the occupation will end.

    It really doesn't.
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    Are you claiming that the area in white on your map is smaller than the rafah governorate? Let's compare it to your visual aid....
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    It would help if you read the post I originally replied to. Ludicus claimed that the people of Gaza are currently crammed into an area the size of Heathrow, and I pointed out that Rafah alone is much...
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    Thanks for quoting again the exact same sentence. My issue with it remains the same. Perhaps if you copy paste it again my opinion will change, give it a go.

    Israel is the state of the Jewish...
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    Sigh. Do I really have to spell it out?
    Wikipedia listed Rafah city as 64km square, hence I gave that number. I wasn't being deceptive, I was quoting the number on the article, without checking if...
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    I suppose not, though Hamas being gone is ultimately good for them too.
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    Calling the soldiers heroes is somehow "enthusing about crimes against humanity"? That's silly, to say the least.
    The soldiers are indeed heroes.




    Yet another case of you throwing out a...
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    Not saying you are.
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    Heathrow airport is 12.2 kelometers square. The city of Rafah alone is 64, not to talk about the open areas around it. I know numbers are hard, but come on.

    Pretty sure Austria-Hungary invaded...
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    Lol. Lmao, even.



    In other news, in a join operation between the IDF and Shin Bet 2 hostages have been rescues alive from Rafah, where they were being held captive by a civilian family.
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    Can you elaborate what an ad from a private company is supposed to prove?
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    Hamas's goal is not a two state solution, it's genocide.

    Lmao, yes I have, maaaany times.
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    Ignoring everything else, this single argument is mind boggling to me. Do you not realise that Hamas sees all of Israel as a colony, and wants all of it exterminated, along with its people? How can...
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    I've said Hamas rejects all *temporary* ceasefires, and this is evidence of just that. They're saying that by the end of the 135 day period a permanent ceasefire will have to be negotiated. It also...
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    Because virtually all anti-Semites are also anti-Zionists, and I reckon about 90%+ of anti-Zionists are anti-Semites. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
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    If you knew that before...
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    There's no ongoing genocide.
    Ben Gvir and Smotrich have so little influence they're not even part of the war cabinet. The war cabinet infact consists of only 4 members, Netanyahu and Gallant (by all...
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    No, it wasn't. Anti-Semetism has always existed in the Arab world, you just don't know about it. This is not some uniquely Christian invention, and it far predates Christianity.

    Bull f:wub:ing...
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    And my implication was to the material their children are being taught, even by the 'moderate' PA.
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    Don't conflate the Taifa of Granada, a Muslim Arab state, with the Spanish inquisition of all things.
    There's no difference between modern European anti-Semitism and Arab anti-Semitism.

    I do not...
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    Sure, I imagine if you were brainwashed to hate Jews since you were a child you'd grow up to hate Jews. If you grew up in Nazi Germany you'd probably also have hated Jews.
    That's not what I called...
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    I've read many ignorant statements on the mudpit over the many years I've spent here, but this easily takes the cake. To think only Europeans are capable of anti-semetism is first of all racist, but...
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    1) You've not addressed any of those points, you just danced around the subject bringing up things you then yourself admitted do not counter these points.
    2) Nothing silly about summarizing what's...
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