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    Re: The catchphrase game

    last image is voltage source, current source and ideal source. second image: Like Sept I don't know the show. First image I can't work with either. I'm Scandinavian.
  2. Poll: Re: On the TWC Wiki, what sort of information do you look for?

    Here have mine as well
    https://i.imgur.com/UXG20aC.png
  3. Sticky: Re: The Chat Thread (rules included in the opening post)

    Or vinegar, if you wait long enough.
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    The Romanian. He'd never deceive you
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    Sticky: Re: The Elitist Chat Thread

    Phew. Close call. I'm glad you made it.
    https://i.imgur.com/GU2LOKf.png
    https://i.imgur.com/GDPWXp3.png
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    Oh great, so you have discovered google, and you have realised that non-determinism depends on context. You also realise that non-determinism is a word that is frequent in use enough to, according to...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    You know guys, let's just for fun look at a link provided not by me, but by Adrian:
    https://i.imgur.com/PBxBj9a.png

    Ouch. Non-determinism that isn't about quantum theory?! WHAAAAT?! OMG! THAT...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    The fact that you're using a nonstandard definition is proven by the fact that you're claiming that calculators are intelligent. In spite of your bad faith attempt at evading any falsifiability of...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I have you covered:




    There's absolutely no cogent argument I can see, nor have seen you made, that'd exclude abaci while simultaneously include the most primitive setup of a few AND+XOR...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    lol are you now going to hide behind the fact that you kept running every time I asked you to elaborate on your definition? :rofls:




    There's absolutely no cogent argument I can see, nor have...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    lol what?! Apart from your interpretations differing wildly from standard use of the English language (like since the very start with your nonstandard definition of "intelligence"), what I argue...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    first use of the term non-determinism is #88. And oh look:
    Oh wow, so unclearly phrased, so easy to misunderstand. Much wow.

    Previous mentions did reference deterministic as the counterpart, but...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I'm not a neuroscientist, I'm an engineer, and I can handle that term just fine. I do not see the logic in your claims still. You're still arguing as if the brain is in control of the randomness,...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    If I understand you correctly, you're making the claim that this is not a randomness from the perspective of the brain, and that it's only us that are unable to model it correctly. If that is your...
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    [VOTE FINISHED: PASSED: IMPLEMENTED] Re: [AWARD] Anthonius II for Opifex

    support.
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    For one, I'm not defensive, I'm annoyed. Not even particularly at anyone in this debate here, nor do I generally have a problem with wishful thinking. I have a problem with wishful thinking...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I challenge you to go ahead, use the search tool, and find the sentences where I used non-determinism. I was very clear. The moment I was misunderstood (free will, quantum theory), which quite...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    Who is we in that context? I don't see it that way and I don't see the reasoning behind that argument. Why ignore that which is at the core of its function and a key difference to computers? Are...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I don't understand your question. Rephrase it please.
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I went through most of them point by point rofl, you failed to address pretty much all the counter points. After claiming that abaci weren't intelligent, you switched to saying that mechanised were....
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    And you'll remain well outside any position to ask me to provide anything until the very unlikely event that you're going to do any of the very basic things requested from you dozens of times.
    ...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    Bwahahaha. The guy who still adamantly refuses to elaborate on his definition of intelligence, refuses to explain the contradiction inherent to the tidbits of his definition given, the guy who not...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    Except a plethora of papers and scientific consensus.
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    You seem confused about the topic of the conversation. Hint: It's not about quantum theory. There's absolutely no point whatsoever to debate e.g. the Many Worlds Interpretation (highly debatable that...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    No.

    For one determinism in the context I'm speaking here:

    Not once did I speak of determinism here in the context of free will. It is up to you if you want to sum all the outside and inside...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    Clarification: I wasn't arguing free will, that's an entirely different can of worms.

    Because it's a fact. E.g. Kunihiko Kaneko, "From globally coupled maps to complex-systems biology", Chaos 25,...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I never argued from a metaphysical or magical angle. I always and consistently argued the following points:
    1) There's a very significant gap between how AI works and what people think AI is.
    2)...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I accept your surrender.
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I'm not artificial, cope. I'm 100% organic gluten-free dough. Also I invented cheese on toast, so sit down.
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    Your claim of "no real connection" stems from the absense of an actual counterargument on your part, along with a lack of clarity of what your claim is to begin with.
    And that's quite the crux of...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I'm gonna go ahead and simply say no.

    You do realise humanity did not invent the laws of electricity, just like gravity they've been around since the big bang. How do you distinguish between a...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

    Calculators and computers in general work deterministic, brains on the other hand do a statistical assessment, and when doing a task repeatedly, it does not reproduce the exact...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    you refuse to address anything other than the picture
    you refuse to address the picture in a way that would help your case. E.g. how come that a calculator in your mind represents intelligence, but...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    A calculator is literally just a sequence of AND and XOR logic gates. You can quite literally build one out of domino bricks or with water.

    Or behold: Medieval Artificial Intelligence!...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    We're in an empasse partly because an severe lack of understanding how e.g. calculators work, what e.g. KAIROS is intended as, and what intelligence is defined as. I quite simply couldn't respond...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    please elaborate
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    Thing is though that the example you gave makes no more of a decision than others. It has a desired output and the machine learning algorithm tries to predict and choose the option that will get it...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I was typing a response and then I realised I was just going to repeat myself yet again. Try maybe defining what sentience is to you first. The way I see it there are two angles to it, I argued...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    I adressed that in the longer post which you didn't read. For one, it's more reductionist than is warranted. Secondly, this nihilistic view is not what either Blake Lemoine nor most other people...
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    Re: The Sentient AI Trap

    We do care to know, and us being unable to look into the models is a huge issue for many reasons, including security reasons. There's a lot of research going on and with limited success in trying to...
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