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Some things I concluded from looking at the code as well, hopefully this helps a bit.
Aedui & Aruernoi & Sweboz & Lugiones
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Baktria
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Hayasdan
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Numidia
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Saka Rauka
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Sauromatae
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Ah I forgot the Baktria tribute being bugged doesn't interfere with the independence, also where is the edit button.
I very quickly tested the baktria one, since it was easy to do so. I got the event all right. Refused it once and they didn't like it. Next winter they asked for triple the mnai, once I refused that it was instant war. Seemed to work fine to me (I didn't test further, would have required me to play).
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interesting info about the rest, I'll look into it later though.
Somewhere on these forums or on the .org (or both I don't remember) I read that if you pay the event won't happen again. I haven't actually tested this though.
Allright, re-tested by accepting, and the event popped up again next winter. Maybe it stops appearing after a while, but I don't really know about that.
The event appears in every 4 turns (winter?), but you will actually pay the first tribute only. After that, even if you agree to pay, you will not lose a penny.
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Strange. That script did work for me. It kept popping up every 4 turns, and the same amount was deduced from my treasury every time i agreed. The scipts for the Basileus forgiving you and recognising your independence afterward worked perfectly as well
About the reforms of Pergamon.
I have 21 settlements and turn 215.
Did not get any message, event, or advisor text, telling me of the Middle and Late Era's reforms. Nor i saw anything different when i reached 11/21 settlements. (probably just placeholder for later versions?)
And i suggest for the next version the requirements for the Attalid Kingdom reform to be "Own Nikaia, Ipsos, Sardis Pergamon and Ankyra, and Win 2 major land battles against AS (defeat at least 11 units using over 1000 soldiers)". If possible, add "Own Ankyra for X turns".
Taking out the requirements to battle Eleutheroi, because:
a) If another faction captures Ankyra before Pergamon does, the chances of the player doing the reform is pratically nulified.
b) Taking out the chance of another faction capturing it first, it still is quite impossible to do because the way it is now you must fight 2 LAND battles against 2 different Eleutheroi armies with at least 11 units. They do not have that big an army, and even though i know they can recruit, this reform requirement leaves too much to chance to stay in the mod IMHO (i mean it leaves to chance even more than the Imperial reform in EB1 lol)
c) One way to do it now is to have 2 of your armies rebel in Galatia. Which though it will fulfil the reform requirements, it is -VERY- gamey and completely destroys the point of having those requirements. Its supposed to represent fighting galatians, and not having, on purpose, to defect 1 of your generals so you can destroy that army.
So IMO either you create a script where:
It checks if Pergamon has Ankyra, if its true a Galatian Eleutheroi army spawns (only 1 army is enough) with a general around Ankyra. When the Eleutheroi army is defeated by Pergamon (and only Pergamon) the reform is triggered. Though it also creates problems if another faction destroys that army, what would happen? Another galatian eleutheroi army is spawned until a) Pergamon is the one that defeats it or b)Ankyra is captured by the rebels (and b doesnt triggers the reform)
OR you could simply, and IMO the best option, to require Pergamon only to OWN Ankyria for at least 20 years (80 Turns), while keeping the other requirements such as the 2 land battles against Arche Seleukeia and owning Ipsos, Nikaia, Sardis and Pergamon.
The Sweboz Reform was just a placeholder to ensure that eventually they can build their "late era" units.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simpelicity
KH has an enormously complex system that currently doesn't work. Same is probably true of some of the others (Hayasdan seems not to work, although it was supposed to). Other than one or two cases, we just didn't have time to test all of these before the release. Great thread though!
Yeah really awesome thread. How does becoming a kingdom with Armenia or Baktria actually influence gameplay though?
hi.. i managed to get the pan-causes message come up for the haysadan reform, but nothing happened.
i wasn't able to upgrade the government buildings at all..
you need to have acquired the same 7 core provinces as in eb1 to get the pan-causes message..
keep up the good work guys
Funny, that's not how it's scripted. In the script it's about number of provinces and infrastructure. Maybe that was coincidental in your case?
There was someone in the thread that said you needed Armavir to be a certain size to build the government type. Sounds weird, but maybe that's the problem you're having jamminj?
Any other reforms planned for the future? Anything for KH, Makedonia?
Plans for a big one like Armenia remaking the the Persian Empire in EB1? How about the Getae remaking the Odryssian Empire?
If I read the script right, the Pritanoi "reform" is in two stages: first the Pritanoi become a kingdom, which allows the building of the highest factional govt in the British Isles, allowing the recruiting of companion units. For this, they need to build 1 market_two, 2 L_2 temples of different gods, 3 ports, and to train 9 cavalry units.
Then the size of the kingdom is judged -- if small (>2 and<5 regions with 4th level factional govt), 2nd level factional govts lose their law bonus; if it's large (>4 and<7 regions with 4th level factional govt), 2nd and 3rd level lose their law bonuses; and if huge (>6 regions with 4th level factional govt) they all lose their law bonuses.
You can build Basilike Patris - highest gov building - in provinces that are a metropolis and have a 3rd level settler building. No idea if that changes anything for the Baktria roster, but Iīll report here if it does (I have yet to build the metropolis in Baktra).Quote:
Yeah really awesome thread. How does becoming a kingdom with Armenia or Baktria actually influence gameplay though?
And the Independence Script really is a bit bugged:
- I only had to pay 3000 mnai once (very first winter)
- I didnīt get the triple pay event mentioned above after refusing to pay once
- I didnīt get instant war after refusing to pay twice in a row, relations jumped from poor to abysmal though
- AS wanted to accept me back as a vassal after every turn we had more than 3 and less than 9 battles, if I understand the script correctly it should only happen once, after 3 battles.
The good thing is that nothing is game-breaking :)
@Simpelicity ya, i read the code also, but i only got the event message after i had taken the selucids city of karkatohpia (excuse my spelling) i had 7+ provinces already before i took that settlement.. armiver is over 12k populace with all buildings built, and most of the others are highly developed. ive tried knocking down n rebuilding the government building to see if that would kick start the new government buildings, but to no avail.. further in the script it does say armiver needs to be over 50% religion, wondering if that is messing it up..
also, an event message about the kh reform had popped up a few turns before hand, but they had been wiped out completely alot earlier by mac..
it would seems the reforms are not quite right at the moment
Ooh very interesting. I hadn't seen these scripts. There's scripts for more factions than just Pritanoi, I'll have to look into this. Although they're called casse in there, I wonder if that breaks the script or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ballpoint202
On a side note, you misread ">" on a lot of the script (I'll correct that when I have time to work on it). And the size of the kingdom isn't part of the reform process. It's a size penalty. I've seen it for celtic factions as well.
@Malibu What's really worrisome is that the script seems to be reacting differently in different games, which is, to all ends and purposes, impossible. Unless, of course, we have different versions of the game. So a quick question for you : what have you installed on EBII aside from the main download? New CAI, modesty patch, name it all. And one more question : Steam version or retail version?
Internal faction names (i.e. those used by the M2TW engine) are sometimes different from the "visible" faction name. That is true of Pritanoi which are know to the engine as "f_casse". Changing internal names (which should NEVER be visible to the player unless they are rooting around in the text files) is an invitation to CTD, so please don't do that. There are no instances we know of where the external faction name (in the few cases where it's different) was mistakenly used internally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Simpelicity
Hahaha don't worry I'm not that dumb. I'm just reading and translating the stuff, I ain't messing around with it :)
Updated the OP with Pritanoi and KH.
He, Iīve seen much weirder things when I scripted missions for Operation Flashpoint and Arma II :PQuote:
@Malibu What's really worrisome is that the script seems to be reacting differently in different games, which is, to all ends and purposes, impossible. Unless, of course, we have different versions of the game. So a quick question for you : what have you installed on EBII aside from the main download? New CAI, modesty patch, name it all. And one more question : Steam version or retail version?
ref your questions:
- clean install of MTWII+Kingdoms+EBII, nothing else
- CAI v2
- added Bactria to the factions which are able to convert camps to towns before starting the campaign (+ deleted the map file)
- postive character traits submod