the people who share your beliefs 100%?
In any case, you have already stated that "good christians" must not interfere in the works of tyrants. For my part this issue is resolved.
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Err rather you mean what a person quite after his (Jesus') death imagined him to say in a private conversation, and in any case you interpretation of it is hardly the only one.Quote:
Jesus said, " A man must be born again of the Spirit of God if he is to enter heaven."
such a cultivated man and he did not write a few lines on a sheet of paper (or papyrus I suppose). the tragedy. but no doubt he did it that way on purpose.
Quite possibly on the latter. But more importantly we know other versions and traditions existed than the canonical New Testament. We know the Early church fathers perceived a lot of what they thought were forgeries or incorrect traditions and they disagreed very much on those points between each other. We also know the final settlement on the canonical version certainly involved a lot stuff being ignored/inserted and dying out for lack of copying.
It is too bad lack of any actual documents. Because it would be interesting to know if he really could say cite the Hebrew bible as effectively as the unknown author of Mathew could - which is better than the author (unknown) of Mark.
and the permanence of a tyranny is also the responsibility of god. true, and that is one of the reasons I despise some gods and many of their followers: "everything is his doing so it is fine".
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the government becomes a dictatorship: "it is not our problem".
the government approves gay marriage: "god said adam and eve not adam and steve!!!"
Nice racket for tyranny though when you think about. Never mind your life sucks in the here and now just do as you are told and assuming you are the right kind of Christian you gat and eternity of some version of happiness. No reason to fix anything at all or change the system. Almost seems like Opiate of the Masses sure somebody brought that up before.Quote:
As Paul pointed out to the church in whatever area it was, these Christians were to humbly go about the business of preaching the Gospel under whichever regime they lived. Regime change is God's business.
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Note also basics your kind of thinking enables people to say.
'Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius' After all Amalric like you was certain he was the right kind of Christian, and any innocents he slaughtered with those words well they get be with Jesus so why bother just not killing everyone.
conon394,
There will come a day when everybody who has ever lived whatever their beliefs will find out the truth and so don't you think it better to keep your mouth shut rather than pile heeps of condemnation on yourself? I mean who in their right mind would want as you appear to do, spend eternity in hell?
I should adopt your version of faith out of fear. Seems a like a poor faith indeed than. Nice sidestepping an actual answer. In any case as far as I can I mostly down for venial sins, not excommunicated and can still make a death bed confession so looks like purgatory at worst.
conon394,
Unless you are born again of the Spirit of God by God no deathbed confession is going to alter your destiny. Oh and by the way, there's no such place as purgatory, just the wide and narrow ways, the latter of which few ever get in according to Jesus.
conon394,
You cannot enter heaven unless you are born again of the Spirit of God. As Jesus explained that is a work of God not man, so anyone claiming to be Christian and not born again of the Spirit of God isn't one at all. The Lord showed this when He said that at the end many will be gnashing and crying that they did this and that in His name and yet He says to them, " Depart from Me for I never knew you." So as I said already, a Christian's job is to be humble, not rocking the boat, yet preaching the Gospel wherever and whenever he or she can. God Himself will attend to any evil regime.
conon394,
No, it is not my interpretation at all, rather what the Gospel of Jesus Christ says and the power behind it.
mishkin,
Paul advises us not to pick a fight with our authorities and the best way to do that is to use your vote or abstain because that is part of the authority if that right is given. On the other hand if it is an actual tyranny the last thing one needs to do is to make oneself a target and most likely not only yourself but involve quite innocently others.
basics, I have already told you that I have understood it, for people with your beliefs there is nothing wrong with a tyrannical government killing and torturing as long as it does not go against your idea of how society should be.
It remains particular interpretation one you have invested with your belief but there are others and they have and had adherents no less sure than you.Quote:
No, it is not my interpretation at all, rather what the Gospel of Jesus Christ says and the power behind it.
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Its an addictive argument. One you are certain and confident in your belief you have won the long game in the afterlife, why fuss about the fleeting ephemeral time of your current live in a broke world plagued by original sin? Same goes for other people. I mean some poor sod raped or oppressed by the world just needs to be reborn and in will all be fine later with faith.
Been to the UK a couple three times time seemed rather nice sorry you find home so depressing.Quote:
No, we live in a society that is drug infested, where even the most hideous crimes are committed yet life goes on.