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Actually you did when you repeated the same old tired "OMFG!! Cobryn teh terrorist synthesizer!!!11one" trope whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that other parties have
far worse people representing them including
ACTUAL terrorists in some cases
Sure, but that’s not the party leadership, and it’s whataboutism. You haven’t yet provided a reasoning for the 87 motion nust after the Enniskillen bombing blaming Britain for the troubles and claiming I as a Brit, am occupying my own country.
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So reality plays no part in your political beliefs? Good to know. Saves me the time spent having to debate with someone who prefers delusions over facts...
It’s no delusion that the Labour leadership is socialist and wants to entirely deconstruct capitalism.
[quote Convenient. Tell me. Do you reject all apologies from everyone ever? Or just the people you have an irrational grudge against?[/quote]
No not at all. I reject it because I believe he meant what he said, so why would he be sorry for it? He is only sorry for any offence caused, which is trivial.
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“If I gave offence – and I clearly have – from the bottom of my heart I apologise. I apologise.”
It’s not about causing offence. He should have been expelled from Labour as soon as it came to light he made those statements. It’s not about me being offended, it’s about McDonnel’s beliefs.
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Fair enough. Can't argue with that.
If holding 8 out of 18 seats in N. Ireland, and spending two years propping up a Conservative minority government is "not very relevant", I'd love to see what is...
Sure, but Foster isn’t a Prime Minister contender and the DUP or any other NI party is highly unlikely to prop up a government ever again. Most of the problems with the DUP are due to the troubles and the circumstances people found themselves in, as well as the fault of the individuals themselves. Therefore I wouldn’t compare Labour (who choose not to even stand in NI) or any mainland party, to a party born during our inter communal conflict in the 60s-90s. Again that’s not to say the DUP did no wrong, cause they did.
At the end of the day, politics in Ireland is far more complicated than anywhere else in Western Europe. Even the UUP had a militia force in the 1910s started by Carson and Craig.
Back to the main point, Labour has a problem with terrorist sympathies that other parties do not in anywhere near the same respect. That Tory councillor or the Brexit Party MEP pale in comparison. This is why I detest the Labour leadership so much. The people they have sympathy with, are people who murdered and held people of mine at gunpoint while wiring a bomb, leaving them with lifelong psychological problems, same goes for most people.
People should not romanticize terrorists, they should not commemorate them, which John McDonnel does. The fact he still has a plaque to IRA ‘martyrs’ in his office is partly why I do not believe he actually regrets the contents of what he said - ‘the ballot the bullet and the bomb [should unite Ireland]’ which undermines his apology for saying ‘It's about time we started honouring those people involved in the armed struggle. It was the bombs and bullets and sacrifice made by the likes of Bobby Sands that brought Britain to the negotiating table. The peace we have now is due to the action of the IRA’.
The earlier comments were not the ones in 2003 he apologised for, it was 1986. So he has a long history of sympathy and support for the IRA.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...-34239947.html
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Labour shadow chancellor John McDonnell allegedly called for the "ballot, the bullet and the bomb" to unite Ireland - and joked that 'gutless wimps' who refused to meet Sinn Fein should be knee-capped at the height of the Troubles.
According to The Times, the remarks were made at a public meeting of 100 people including members of the IRA's political wing, at a pub in New Cross, South London in 1986 - before the peace process.
The newspaper says it has uncovered archive material showing Mr McDonnell suggested with black humour that Labour councillors who boycotted the meeting should have their "knee-caps shot off".
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The IRA continued using bombs after Mr McDonnell's speech and in 1987 - a year later - eleven people were killed in the Enniskillen bombing on Remembrance Sunday.
The bombing after which the socialists claimed the troubles were due to ‘British occupation’.
More on the IRA plaque.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...aque-honouring
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The commemorative item honours the 10 IRA and INLA hunger strikers, who died in the Maze prison in County Down, Northern Ireland, in 1981.
Among those whose names are inscribed on the plaque are Francis Hughes, who was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of a British Army soldier in 1980.
Given to him by a bomber and murderer Killer Kelly.
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The plaque was a gift to Mr McDonnell from Hayes Gaelic Club, and was presented to him in 2004 by convicted IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
This man believes in a United Ireland. He doesn’t believe in the United Kingdom, is a self-proclaimed Marxist and is UTTERLY UNFIT FOR OFFICE.
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In the Financial Times interview, Mr McDonnell said: "I’ve always honestly and openly said I believe in a united Ireland, but the point was to try and get to a united Ireland without the violence."
https://www.ft.com/mcdonnell
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McDonnell lists his hobby in Who’s Who as “fermenting (sic) the downfall of capitalism”. As a previously self-proclaimed Marxist — and past admirer of Venezuela’s socialist state — he is perhaps the most leftwing person ever to hold the role of shadow chancellor.
He was recorded at one meeting in 2011 encouraging unhappy workers to spit in their bosses’ tea. Ken Livingstone, the leftwing former mayor of London, sacked him in the 1980s for being too radical. For certain business leaders, the idea of McDonnell in the Treasury is starting to eclipse Brexit as a pressing political concern
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An avid reader, he is inspired by Gramsci, the Italian Marxist who believed socialism would triumph by infiltrating “schools, universities, churches and the media”.
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In 2014, McDonnell approvingly quoted the idea of Tory MP Esther McVey being lynched, and he once joked about “garrotting” Danny Alexander, a former Lib Dem cabinet minister. “He survived, didn’t he?” McDonnell retorts, when asked.
Nothing wrong with dark humour but it’s hypocritical for Labour to want hate speech laws when their Chancellor is like this.
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In a 2006 interview, McDonnell said his inspirations were “the fundamental Marxist writers of Marx, Lenin and Trotsky, basically”. When he ran a book club at the Trades Union Congress, members would joke that they had to read the same book every week: Das Kapital.
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A centrist Labour MP predicts the shadow chancellor will “go for broke” if he ever gets into power. “There are a lot of people who will never, ever trust him . . . he’s very, very authoritarian.”