MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Work in Progress for future version)

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July 10, 2011, 10:49 PM
Polycarpe

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MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Work in Progress for future version)
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Good day fellow Modders, I've got something for you, MUG: Unit Modding Guideline.

What this guide has, this is the real deal:bigboss:
- A new hierarchy system of unit category, from petty peasants to knights.
- Balanced, realistic values.
- Great diversity of unit creation, from different mount types to unit origin!
- Well described and easy to understand.
- Added several tutorials for supplements and every beginners could do unit creation by themselves!
- Various list of weapons, for mounted, foot and ranged units.
- And much more!!
Want to use it for your mod and submod?
Very Simple, just ask me for permission in this thread, along with the link of your project and I'll accept it.
I'll keep a list of members who have the permission to use it.
If it's for personal use, then you are free to use it at anytime!
If I learn that you did used MUG without permission, I'll poke your eye like this smiley do until I tired myself :poking: and you will have to explain yourself to the moderators. Please just ask, it will takes you 30 seconds, don't be stupid.

Here's an example of a unit card stats when completed, the following is the English Knights of War of the West
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9673/unled4sx.jpg
That knight model is a small teaser and if you want to rep the creator, just rep Lord Hamilton Here;)

List of Members allowed to use MUG
If you'd enjoyed this tool, please give me feedback so I could update it later on (but not soon).
July 10, 2011, 11:08 PM
Merula

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Looks good mate ;) +rep
Too bad it doesnt work with a dark age theme :( Maybe it could be modified somehow....
July 10, 2011, 11:11 PM
Polycarpe

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLIP99

Looks good mate ;) +rep
Too bad it doesnt work with a dark age theme :( Maybe it could be modified somehow....

In fact it can be integrated without problems in a Dark Age Era to Renaissance. The only thing that you may need to tweak is for Eastern and Middle Eastern Factions, for the others, no problem.:yes:
July 10, 2011, 11:35 PM
Merula

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Polycarpe

In fact it can be integrated without problems in a Dark Age Era to Renaissance. The only thing that you may need to tweak is for Eastern and Middle Eastern Factions, for the others, no problem.:yes:

Hmmm, ok then ill talk to heathen, but ill just let this be a "can we please have permission to maybe use your work in Heddin Vedr?":thumbsup2
July 10, 2011, 11:41 PM
Polycarpe

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Permission granted and added in the OP's List.:thumbsup2
July 11, 2011, 01:04 AM
Ichon

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Interesting work- have to go over it more carefully but after going through the whole thing once the only thing that jumps out at me is some of the ranged attacks seems maybe high. Have to see the play testing though with the different armor and shield values to really tell though.

Should be useful basis for many though- nice job!
July 11, 2011, 02:01 AM
IZob

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Hey this looks quiet useful. But wouldn't it be better to post this in the tutorials/resource section?
July 11, 2011, 10:58 AM
Polycarpe

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Quote:

Originally Posted by IZob

Hey this looks quiet useful. But wouldn't it be better to post this in the tutorials/resource section?

Hmm quite difficult where's the proper place but in this section, people will see it more often. If you are interested, just ask :).
@Ichon: The ranged bonuses and attack were based on RC 1.8 but the unit category will affect the results and my way to combine a base armour with an arming doublet also increases the amount of protection ;).
July 11, 2011, 03:12 PM
knin

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

This is really nice, +rep for your hard work. Would it be ok if I used this as a guideline for my mod sometime down the line? Good stuff! :)
July 11, 2011, 03:14 PM
Polycarpe

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Sure my friend, here you go, your in the list.:thumbsup2
July 13, 2011, 07:36 AM
Finlander

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Excellent, thanks for sharing. It's a good addition to the list. ;)
July 14, 2011, 04:32 PM
Polycarpe

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Thanks Fin, glad you like it. Also, after I've finish my mod base, I'll try to update it with additional cultures stats, more weapons and maybe values for other files needed such as for projectiles and mounts. :yes:
July 19, 2011, 02:01 PM
Prince of Judah

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

I'd like to help but my first obligation is to balancing the East of Rome edu. I'll be happy to provide my opinions but i don't think I can make informed opinions on statistics without being familiar with your balance system. Also, I don't know exactly how the battles are calculated, my balancing is based on extensive testing and It works only for EoR. WoTW is the wrong era.
July 20, 2011, 08:33 AM
Polycarpe

Re: WOTW Unit Guideline

Thank you for proposing yourself. Currently, this version is up and I'll work on it later since I want to finish a model I'm currently working on and doing my coding part as well. I'll contact you when the time will comes.:)
Regards.
July 22, 2011, 04:07 PM
Polycarpe

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline

The 2.0 version is out! Check at the OP for the update list. :cool:
July 29, 2011, 06:08 AM
Ishan

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline 2.0

Thread moved to the Mod workshop > Tutorial Section.
August 04, 2011, 07:30 PM
Polycarpe

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline 2.0

Just to point out, hopefully you didn't advance too much on unit creation cuz I may release my very last version soon with more drastic changes. If you have comments, share them.:thumbsup2
Regards.
August 23, 2011, 08:29 PM
Polycarpe

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

:hearye::hearye: Everyone, after many hours, I've drastically updated the unit guideline. Come and take a look at the first post.
Regards.
August 23, 2011, 10:23 PM
Heathen Storm

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

Great job! Can't wait to finish up all my units to test out the stats in battle ;)
August 24, 2011, 10:40 AM
Aura

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

Oh, thats really nice! Thank you for your efforts.

+Rep off course :yes:
August 24, 2011, 03:19 PM
Slaytaninc

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

I don't have anyone to help me with unit stats, and I don't know if I want to try something else, but I'd like to ask permission to use this for Golden Ages: Total War.
August 24, 2011, 09:37 PM
Polycarpe

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

Here you go, your project is added ;)

@Aura: If you are interested to use this guide for your project, feel free to ask. :)

Here's an example of a unit card stats when completed, the following is the English Knights of War of the West
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9673/unled4sx.jpg
That knight model is a small teaser and if you want to rep the creator, just rep Lord Hamilton Here;)

As you can see in the unit description, I added the unit quality, category and role. For those who want to know how to do this, you will need to add like this

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

{Veiðimenn_descr}Category: Warrior.\nQuality: Standard.\nRole: Skirmisher Archery.\n\nTo be written.

Hope that's help :)
August 25, 2011, 01:44 AM
AJStoner

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

That is an excellent idea, adding the extra unit description items.
August 25, 2011, 02:56 AM
Aura

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

Yes please :yes:
August 25, 2011, 05:42 AM
Briarius

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

Hi St. Polycarpe,

I was wondering if I could use your MUG to make changes on my units stats? It seems like a really nice guide! Had a +rep on you! ;)

I'd use it in this mod, I've been working on. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=373446
August 25, 2011, 07:03 AM
Polycarpe

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

Added you both :thumbsup2
September 20, 2011, 01:21 PM
markhaselb

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

I spotted a few mistakes: the category "Engineers" has double entries for morale and discipline, the subcategories for "Brawler", "Charger", "Lancer", and a few else seem to be missing (or are they not even subcategories, because they appear in the mount section?).
There are no descriptions/explanations for morale/discipline level "Reckless"/"Desparate".

And a few questions:
- the stamina stuff in the horses, does it refer to the attributes "hardy" and "very_hardy"?
- the "Hybrid" has the effect "Do not have penalty on any Quality type". What does this mean exactly? That all negative modifiers become 0 instead? Or does it affect equipment quality only (no class has equipment penalties anyway)
September 20, 2011, 02:47 PM
Polycarpe

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)
Quote:

Originally Posted by markhaselb

I spotted a few mistakes: the category "Engineers" has double entries for morale and discipline, the subcategories for "Brawler", "Charger", "Lancer", and a few else seem to be missing (or are they not even subcategories, because they appear in the mount section?).
There are no descriptions/explanations for morale/discipline level "Reckless"/"Desparate".

And a few questions:
- the stamina stuff in the horses, does it refer to the attributes "hardy" and "very_hardy"?
- the "Hybrid" has the effect "Do not have penalty on any Quality type". What does this mean exactly? That all negative modifiers become 0 instead? Or does it affect equipment quality only (no class has equipment penalties anyway)

Hi there, yes I may have forgotten some info or didn't specify properly but I'll try to answer it correctly.
- "Enginneers" units will have these characteristics:
5 as Base Morale.
Normal Discipline.
Trained as training.
- "Reckless" units will have these characteristics:
+1 Morale Bonus
Impetuous discipline.
+ 2 Attack Bonus, - 3 Defense Skill.
Lock_Morale.
- "Desperate" units will have these characteristics:
-2 Morale.
Impetuous Discipline.
+ 2 Attack Bonus, -2 Defense Skill.
Lock_Morale.
- Brawler, Charger and Lancer is more a fighting style of the mount rather than a subcategory but can be still be considered like that if it's simpler that way.
Quote:

- the stamina stuff in the horses, does it refer to the attributes "hardy" and "very_hardy"?

Correct, "hardy" for Good Stamina and "very_hardy" for Very Good Stamina.

Quote:

- the "Hybrid" has the effect "Do not have penalty on any Quality type". What does this mean exactly? That all negative modifiers become 0 instead? Or does it affect equipment quality only (no class has equipment penalties anyway)

By meaning "Hybrid" it means they have no penalty to melee and ranged attacks compared to a unit that is only archer (which drop to equivalent to their Current quality - 2 Levels). So for example, an Outstanding Hybrid archer will be Outstanding in both Melee and Archery while a Outstanding Archer will be considered as Standard for melee stats.

If you have other things to point out, please just tell me but sadly I haven't much time on reworking my writing due to school..
September 27, 2011, 04:02 PM
Slaytaninc

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

Thanks for the permission, but I'm not sure that I'm going to use it. What does this offer over say, RealRecruitment/RealCombat?
September 27, 2011, 08:15 PM
Polycarpe

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slaytaninc

Thanks for the permission, but I'm not sure that I'm going to use it. What does this offer over say, RealRecruitment/RealCombat?

It is a unit guideline that would help you to create balanced units. Similar to Real Combat but with slightly more entries.
October 21, 2011, 08:22 AM
Polycarpe

Re: MUG: Modding Unit Guideline (Final)

Seems I have overestimated my work, there's several imbalance right there and for my mod, there's also several modifiers that isn't really useful. This version for me is now outdated and instead I'll do more specific research and guide. My first guide will be focused obviously on Western European Warfare and Equipment. If I have time, I will do the same for the Eastern Culture and Middle East culture. Sorry for the inconveniences but things like guide always need further improvement and it was a too quick word to say it's "final".:whistling

The guide will have an increased focus, along already made armor combination and options related with the main armor. Also, new values, improved weapon stats and adding an extra category for mod that focus on multi weaponry per unit (as in my mod) such a unit of swordsmen using axe, sword, pickhammer and the like in a single unit. Stay tuned.:thumbsup2