what will happen after the "spring"

  1. The excited one
    The excited one
    one thing due to its complexity of the Islamic world as well as its fundamental nature in recent decades will the governments that replaces the previous ones gone rouge and hostile similar to Iran i heard that some Al-qaeda insurgencies in Yemen manages to occupied a few towns from the government forces......

    that gives me another question........ is arab "spring" good or bad?
  2. Babur
    Babur
    There have been similar protests in Iran but sadly they've been crushed.
  3. matmohair1
    matmohair1










  4. Armatus
    Armatus
    I had to laugh at the top video, I couldn't make it past 1:17 unfortunately...
  5. matmohair1
    matmohair1


    Are We Being Hijacked or is History Just repeating itself ???
    can we overcome this ???
    la terreur ?!

    - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

    - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Counter-Revolution

    - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror
















  6. Babur
    Babur
    perhaps you should watch something other than RT....
  7. Cyrene
    Cyrene
    Yemen Has Al-qaeda Already But The People Don't Want Them To Rule...
  8. matmohair1
    matmohair1
    The contradictions of the Arab Spring
    Immanuel Wallerstein Published in Al Jazeera, November 14, 2011
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    The turmoil in Arab countries that is called the Arab Spring is conventionally said to have been
    sparked by the self-immolation of Mohamed Bouazizi in a small village of Tunisia on December
    17, 2010. The massive sympathy this act aroused led, in a relatively short time, to the destitution
    of Tunisia's president and then to that of Egypt's president. In very quick order thereafter, the
    turmoil spread to virtually every Arab state and is still continuing.
    Most of the analyses we read in the media or on the internet neglect the fundamental
    contradiction of this phenomenon - that the so-called Arab Spring is composed of two quite
    different currents, going in radically different directions. One current is the heir of the world-revolution
    of 1968. The "1968 current" might better be called the "second Arab revolt".
    Its objective is to achieve the global autonomy of the Arab world that the "first Arab revolt" had
    sought to achieve. The first revolt failed primarily because of successful Franco-British measures
    to contain it, co-opt it, and repress it.
    The second current is the attempt by all important geopolitical actors to control the first current,
    each acting to divert collective activity in the Arab world in ways that would redound to the
    relative advantage of each of these actors separately. The actors here regard the "1968 current" as
    highly dangerous to their interests. They have done everything possible to turn attention and
    energy away from the objectives of the "1968 current", in what I think of as the great distraction.
    The past didn't go anywhere
    What do I mean by a "1968 current"? There were two essential features to the world-revolution
    of 1968 that remain relevant to the world situation today. First, the revolutionaries of 1968 were
    protesting against the inherently undemocratic behavior of those in authority. This was a revolt
    against such use (or misuse) of authority at all levels: the level of the world-system as a whole;
    the level of the national and local governments; the level of the multiple non-governmental
    institutions in which people take part or to which they are subordinated (from workplaces to
    educational structures to political parties and trade-unions).
    In language that was developed later on, the 1968-revolutionaries were against vertical decision making
    and in favor of horizontal decision-making - participatory and therefore popular. By
    and large, although there were exceptions, the "1968 current" was deeply influenced by the
    concept of non-violent resistance, whether in the version of satyagraha developed by Mahatma
    Gandhi or that pursued by Martin Luther King and his collaborators, or indeed older versions
    such as that of Henry David Thoreau.
    In the "Arab Spring" we could see this current strongly at work in Tunisia and Egypt. It was the
    rapid public embrace of this current that terrified those in power - the rulers of every Arab state
    without exception, the governments of the "outside" states who were an active presence in the
    geopolitics of the Arab world, even the governments of very distant states.
    The spread of an anti-authoritarian logic, and especially its success anywhere, menaced all of
    them. The governments of the world joined forces to destroy the "1968 current".
    A growing world movement
    So far, they have not been able to do it. Indeed,
    on the contrary, the current is gaining force
    around the world - from Hong Kong to Athens to
    Madrid to Santiago to Johannesburg to New
    York. This is not solely the result of the Arab
    Spring, since the seeds and even the revolts
    elsewhere predated December 2010. But the fact
    that it has occurred so dramatically in the Arab
    world, once thought relatively unresponsive to
    such a current, has added considerable
    momentum to the growing world movement.
    How have the governments responded to the
    threat? There are really only three ways to
    respond to such a threat - repression, concessions
    and diversion. All three responses have been
    used, and up to a certain point, their use has
    achieved some success.
    Of course, the internal political realities of each
    state are different, and that is why the dosage of
    repression, concessions and diversion has varied
    from state to state.
    However, the decisive characteristic is, in my
    view, the second feature of the world-revolution
    of 1968. The world-revolution of 1968 included
    in a very major way a revolution of the "forgotten
    peoples" - those who had been left out of the
    concerns of the major organised forces of all political stripes. The forgotten peoples had been
    told that their concerns, their complaints, their demands were secondary and had to be postponed
    until some other primary concerns were resolved.
    Who were these forgotten peoples? They were first of all women, half the world's population.
    They were secondly those who were defined in a given state as "minorities" - a concept that is
    not really numerical but rather social (and has usually been defined in terms of race or religion or
    language or some combination thereof).
    In addition to women and the social "minorities", there exists a long list of other groups who also
    proclaimed their insistence on not being forgotten: Those with "other" sexual preferences, those
    The '1968 current' refers to a revolution of
    the 'forgotten peoples'

    who were disabled, those who were the "indigenous" populations in a zone that had been subject
    to in-migration by powerful outsiders in the last 500 years, those who were deeply concerned
    with threats to the environment, those who were pacifists. The list has continued to grow, as
    more and more "groups" became conscious of their status as "forgotten peoples".
    As one analyses Arab state after Arab state, one realises quite quickly that the list of forgotten
    peoples and their relation to the regime in power varies considerably. Hence, the degree to which
    "concessions" can limit revolt varies. The degree to which "repression" is easy or difficult for the
    regime varies. But make no mistake about it, all regimes want, above all, to stay in power.
    One way to stay in power is for some of those who are in power to join the uprising, casting
    overboard a personage who happens to be the president or ruler in favour of the pseudo-neutral
    armed forces. This is exactly what happened in Egypt. It is that about which those who are today
    reoccupying Tahrir Square in Egypt are complaining as they seek to reinvigorate the "1968
    current".
    The problem for the major geopolitical actors is that they are not sure how best to "distract"
    attention and advance their own interests amidst the turmoil. Let us look at what the various
    actors have been trying to do and the degree to which they have been successful. We will then be
    able better to assess the prospects of the "1968 current" today and in the relatively near future.
    Ex-colonial redemption
    We should start the story with France and Great Britain - the fading ex-colonial powers. They
    were both badly caught with their pants down in Tunisia and Egypt. Their leaders had, as
    individuals, been personally profiting from the two dictatorships. They not merely supported
    them against the uprising, but actively counseled them on how to repress.
    Finally, and very late, they realized how big a political error this had been. They had to find a
    way to redeem themselves. They found it in Libya.
    Muammar Gaddafi had also, just like the French and the British, fully supported Zine El Abidine
    Ben Ali and Hosni Mubarak. Indeed he went the furthest, deploring their resignations. He was
    obviously deeply frightened by what was happening in the two neighboring countries. To be
    sure, there was not much of a true "1968 current" in Libya. But there were plenty of discontented
    groups. And when these groups began their revolt, he blustered about how hard he would repress
    them.
    France and Great Britain saw their opportunity here.
    'The 1968 current is expanding, despite recession, despite concessions, despite co-option'

    Despite the degree to which these two countries (and others) had engaged in profitable business
    in Libya for at least a decade, they suddenly discovered that Gaddafi was a terrible dictator,
    which no doubt he was. They set out to redeem themselves by open military support for the
    Libyan rebels.
    Today, Bernard-Henri Lévy is boasting of the way in which he created a direct link between
    President Sarkozy of France and the structure of the Libyan rebels on the basis of active
    intervention to promote human rights.
    But France and Great Britain, however determined, were unable to unseat Gaddafi without help.
    They needed the United States. Obama was obviously reluctant at first. But, under internal US
    pressure ("to promote human rights"), he threw in US military and political assistance to what
    was now called a NATO effort. He did this on the basis that, in the end, he could argue that not a
    single US life was lost - only Libyan lives.
    Just as Gaddafi was unnerved by the ousting of Mubarak, so were the Saudis. They saw Western
    acquiescence (and subsequently approval) of his departure as a highly dangerous precedent.
    They decided to pursue their own independent line - the defense of the status quo.
    They defended it first of all at home, secondly in the Gulf Coordination Council (and in
    particular in Bahrain), then in the other monarchies (Jordan and Morocco), then in all Arab
    states. And in the two neighboring countries in which there was most turmoil - Yemen and
    Syria - they began to pursue a mediation in which everything would change so that nothing
    would change.
    A current not easily contained
    The new Egyptian regime, under attack at home from the "1968 current" and always sensitive to
    the fact that Egypt's primacy in the Arab world had diminished seriously, began to revise its
    geopolitical stance, first of all vis-à-vis Israel.
    The regime wanted to take its distance from Israel, without, however, jeopardizing its ability to
    obtain financial assistance from the United States. They became an active advocate of
    reunification of the split Palestinian political world, hoping that this reunification would not only
    force significant concessions from the Israelis but hamper the development of the "1968 current"
    among the Palestinians.
    Two neighboring countries - Turkey and Iran - sought to profit
    from the Arab unrest by strengthening their own legitimacy as
    actors in the Middle East arena. This was not easy for either of
    them, especially since each had to worry about the degree to
    which the "1968 current" would menace them internally - the
    Kurds in Turkey, the multiple factions in the complicated Iranian
    internal politics.
    And Israel? Israel has been assaulted all around by the prospect
    of "delegitimisation" - in the Western world (even in Germany,
    even in the United States), in Egypt and Jordan, in Turkey, in
    Russia and China. And all the while it has had to face a "1968
    current" that has emerged among the Jewish population within
    Israel.
    And, as all this geopolitical juggling has been going on, the Arab
    Spring has become simply one part of what is now very clearly a
    worldwide unrest occurring everywhere: Oxi in Greece,
    indignados in Spain, students in Chile, the Occupy movements that have now spread to 800 cities
    in North America and elsewhere, strikes in China and demonstrations in Hong Kong, multiple
    happenings across Africa.
    The "1968 current" is expanding - despite repression, despite concessions, despite co-option.
    And geopolitically, across the Arab world, the success of the various players has been limited,
    and in some cases counterproductive. Tahrir Square has become a symbol across the world. Yes,
    many Islamist movements have been able to express themselves openly in Arab states where
    they could not do so earlier. But so have the secular left forces. The trade unions are
    rediscovering their historic role.
    The global spirit of protest
    won't be easily contained.

    Those who believe that Arab unrest, that world unrest, is a passing moment will discover in the
    next major bubble burst (which we can anticipate quite soon) that the "1968 current" will no
    longer be so easily contained.

    Immanuel Wallerstein is a professor in the department of sociology at Yale University and
    author of some 30 books, including The Modern World System - published in four volumes,
    with a further two anticipated. Prof Wallerstein's decades of work, critical of global capitalism
    and supporting 'anti-systemic movements' have led to him being recognized as a world renowned
    expert in social analysis.
    The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al
    Jazeera's editorial policy.

    Source: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...711539134.html
  9. SuperTechmarine
    SuperTechmarine
    There will be a period of instabilty, the Imam Mahdi will break us away from the American Oppresors. Then the Dajjal (Israel) will declare war on us. blablabla. Go read the Quran ant the Hadith for the rest of the story.
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