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Recently US VP Joe Biden an Irish Catholic American brought something out into the open that may have been lost on this generation and forgotten by the public at large.

Discrimination.

He quoted from a rabidly anti-Irish editorial from 1892 in The New York Times depicting the Irish as drunks and thieves. He also stated that the Ku Klux Klan was founded to smear Irish Catholics as well as blacks.

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Of course discrimination against the Irish is covered for grade schoolers in American history class, but as with most subject matter it is limited. And now re-reading into some of this history I begin to wonder if the term "Black Irish" truly originated with the descents of shipwrecked Spanish Armada (as the myth is told among American families of Irish heritage) or if there is much more sinister origin that involves white slavery?

This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-iri...e-slaves/31076

Between 1680 and 1688 the English African Company sent 249 ships to Africa and shipped approximately 60,000 Black slaves. They "lost" 14,000 during the middle passage, and only delivered 46,000 to the New World.

Diggs points out that "Planters sometimes married white women servants to Blacks in order to transform these servants and their children into slaves." This was the case with "Irish Nell", a servant woman brought to Maryland and sold to a planter when her former owner returned to England. Whether her children by a Black slave husband were to be slave or free, occupied the courts of Maryland for a number of years. Petition was finally granted, and the children freed.

http://www.eirefirst.com/archive/unit_2.html

So my question for the rest of you, is how much of this are you aware of? How much of it is true? What is taught in your schools about the history of the diaspora? Why isn't this called a genocide???

Well that is certainly something else. Basically we don't learn of what the diaspora do after they leave Ireland just why they left. Usually famine or economic crisis.

I'm dubious as to the idea or forced breeding because to my knowledge we wernt seen as slaves just second class.

It seems to reason that if the British could find a way to demoralize, dehumanize the Irish they'd have much greater justification for subjugating them. Never mind Irish sovereignty. I'm going to do more reading though.

I was in Holland getting stoned about 7 years ago and a black man came up to me and asked me where I was from.I said Ireland.He said you are the blacks of europe. What the hell.

I was in Holland getting stoned about 7 years ago and a black man came up to me and asked me where I was from.I said Ireland.He said you are the blacks of europe. What the hell.

Did he elaborate?

Did he elaborate?

It's a broadly known phrase because both the Irish and Blacks were oppressed. And then you have terms like ****** Irish, Green *******, Potato ******.

There's also the reoccurring and romanticized theme having the Irish in film depicted as people who stand up against racism and oppression of others.

I'm going to try to post some info this weekend, I don't want to jump the gun though with out sorting some of it through.

So I've gotten myself sidetracked and with the chief out I've been slackin'. However I did collect some information.

It's so much to disect for someone who wasn't taught Irish history so I'm going to be referencing more than writing when I finally get around to it.

At any rate I found a jewel of a topic here on TWC I wanted to drop in as a bookmark which contained a quote from a member in 2006 alluding to support some of the material I posted above in reference to White Cargo (which wasn't published until 2008)

Originally Posted by JP226 June 03, 2006, 01:49 PM

It's funny, a while back i wrote a paper on the brit occupation of ireland and it's colonies in america. Did you know that slavery in the south popped up as a result of british experience in ireland? When the brits took ireland, the "wild Irish" were literally enslaved on plantations. The brits came to america, followed the exact same procedures with the natives, but the natives died off too easily and could escape too easily. After all, an escape in ireland is temporary, an escape is North america is much more permanent. So instead of the proposterous idea of doing it yourself, they needed a new source. Why not slaves?

The rather heated topic below covers a lot of ground on mostly recent events (with some exception) and politics involving in debate over nationalism and the union than the earlier periods and American condition I've looked at.

The 'Irish' question
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...Irish-question