Kosovo is not Serbia

I joined only to tell you this.
Kosovo is sacred because of the great two battles with the ottomans. The false news had somehow been spread that the Serbs have won and the bells of Notre Dam rang in honor.
The greatest Serbian heroes died there.
And whats more many of Orthodox monasteries where there over a hundred in fact and they where over 1000 years old... Many of them lie in ruin now.
And would you gladly agree that any of you're countries regions wanted to be a country for them self?
And what if you had relatives or even a home there and you can never come back?
What if you're most sacred buildings where demolished?
How would you feel then?
I just don't understand how can people judge somethings that they know nothing or very little about...

Omur, I'm 100% against the KLA and their actions but how would you feel if your government didn't care about their sacred heart of their country?

A: It is my country.
B: They care but their incompetent. But that doesn't mean that because of that I'll suddenly start to support the butchering of that same hart.

so a land where three defeats were inflicted on you is sacred?

The land where we stood up for our freedom despite the overwhelming odds against us;
The land where we stood to defend the christian faith;
The land where many of brave heroes and rulers of our country spilled their blood;
The land with many orthodox holy monasteries;
YES! That land is sacred to us!

this is not LOTR lol.....

Orthodox Monasteries exist all over the world,Serbia has more of them than Kosovo and were you in Kosovo then?.Your "hero" was nothing more than a feudal lord, more of a Prince than a King and no poetry of his can cover up that fact .

First of all its not poetry I just wrote what is sacred to us.
Let me ask you something.
I don't know of which faith are you but would you just stand uninterested if some one would tear down the holy monasteries, mosques or temples of your faith?
Serbian orthodox faith is different than any other orthodox faiths.
Yes he was a feudal lord, but what was Gandi but a ordinary man, must a hero be of noble blood to be great?

mosques of my faith have been destroyed but there were more monasteries in Serbia proper anyway

Gandhi used non-violence to achieve his aims lol

Even one monastery is sacred there can never be to many, as can never be to many mosques.
How can you say such a thing?
And Saladin was a great general and leader, a superb tactician and a glorious jihad conquer, and he wasn't a pacifist was he?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008.../kosovo.serbia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Malcolm

You're historian forgets one thing, the whole Serbia was under Ottoman rule for 5 centuries.
And by that logic then all of the ex SSSR states are really Russian?
And mind you that Greece and Macedonia where also under the Ottomans as long as Serbia and what does that mean???

*Yes it was and Kosovo was administered by Albanians.
*The USSR is dead.
*It means nothing. It does not help your argument.

I thought you guys claim Kosovo because it was once part of Serbia. I would expect such an argument to come from an Albanian, not a Serb.

*Albanians are a people, they where a nomad tribe from the est cost of the black sea and Romans brought them to Italy as mercenaries later on they made their country on the north-west border of Greece. The Shiptars (the Albanians on Kosovo) are an nomad Albanian tribe recently without a country of their own. Tito made a mistake and let them settle on Kosovo and they just eradicated the Serbian popularity in the 80's and 90's...
So they have no historical claim.
*Yes it is...
*Yes it does because you're historian claims that the Serbs have no claim because it was Ottoman country for a long period.

Does this help?

Do you know anything at all about Albania and the Albanians? If so, you would know that the border between Albania and the outside world was closed during Hoxha's reign, meaning nobody could escape, especially not in large numbers to colonize Kosovo. You would also know that the Albanians came to Kosovo in large numbers during the Ottoman period. This does not mean the Serbs were eradicated by Albanians. Kosovo was the most depopulated land in the Balkans in the very late Middle Ages. There had been two huge battles, both of which resulted in Ottoman supremacy in the area. Of course, the Serbs, instead of staying till the end in their "Holy Land" left as they did after the Kosovo War. The Albanians that migrated there were only making the already large Albanian population even larger. Yes the Albanians have a historical claim on the land. They have been living there for centuries. The Serbs have too, but they left. If they want the land that bad, they should move in, peacefully of course unless they want to be bombed again. This is what the Albanians did.

*Of course.
*The historian claims it was under the control of Ottoman ALBANIANS, not Ottoman Serbs. By the way, have you heard of Pjetër Bogdani? He was a Catholic Albanian in the Baroque era who led a revolt in Kosovo. (http://www.albanianliterature.net/au...y/bogdani.html) In the early 1900's, Isa Boletini also led a revolt against the Ottoman Empire, and was defeated with the help of the local Serbs to the Ottoman empire.

By the way, Kosovo had been majority Albanian uninterruptedly since the 1800's. The League of Prizren had been established there. If Kosovo is the heartland of Serbia, then it is the soul of Albania.

For you're information the Serbs that tried to come back where killed or never seen again.
My girlfriend was from Kosovska Mitrovica and she and her family ran for their life.
The Albanian people there also tore down the orthodox monasteries that are holy to my people.
You justify this???

Yea, whatever. How do you justify the massacres of Muslims by Serbs throughout history?

These acts of killing and explusion culminated in the Balkan Wars of 1912-13, when Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria and Montenegro finally destroyed the Ottoman Empire in Europe. According to Justin McCarthy (Death and Exile: The Ethnic Cleansing of Ottoman Muslims, 1821-1922, Darwin Press, Princeton, 1996, p. 164), the Balkan Wars resulted in the death of 27% of the Muslim population of the Ottoman territories conquered by the Christian Balkan states - 632,408 people. Source.

Originally Posted by LeonTrotsky

Whole Albanian villages had been transformed into columns of flames – in the distance, nearby, and even right along the railway line. This was my first, real, authentic view of war, of the merciless mutual slaughter of human beings. Homes were burning. People’s possessions handed down to them by their fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers were going up in smoke. Source.

(This is just one atrocity mentioned of many. Look at the source to see more.)

News was also received in Skopje, soon after the Battle of Kumanova, that the Serbs had massacred numerous Turkish refugees, mostly women and children who had taken refuge in empty railway carriages in the latter town. Source.

I must leave to the Archbishop or to his source the responsibility for the claim that bodies of 100 Albanians were found in a moat behind the fortress (the source is a local Albanian Catholic called Luigi Nerazzi who did not see the bodies himself, but just heard of them). Source.

(Again, look at the source to learn more.)


What about the Albanians of Mitrovica? Their houses are being burned down by Serbs. (http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics...5&nav_id=61361)

As for the Serbian monasteries being torn down:



(Albanian Catholic bishop of Kosovo speaks his opinion about the destruction of Serbian churches.)



By the way, I failed to address this earlier. Albanians are native to the Balkans. Albanian Catholic highlanders from northern Albania colonized Kosovo during the Ottoman era. No records of an Albanian migration into the Balkans from the Caucasus exist. The Ottomans would have undoubtedly wrote about it if it happened. As a matter of fact, they talk about a large war in Albania between the Albanians and the Ottomans during the Middle Ages.

"I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of the Western World fails , when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship. But it is not this day! An hour of ethnic cleansing when the Age of Men comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on the plains of Kosovo, I BID YOU STAND, NATO!!"

wheres that from?

I made it myself

it is a homage to LOTR and to the brave Kosovars and NATO forces

lol . but yeah, the KLA were truly heroes. here is a good documentary-type-of-video on the KLA counteroffensives.

http://www.journeyman.tv/?lid=57805

most of the other good documentaries are completely in albanian, but this is good