Fashion firm to support terrorists

[Mr.Flint]

Danish T-shirts 'to fund rebels'
A Danish fashion firm is to sell T-shirts inspired by rebel fighters, with proceeds to go to militant groups.
The T-shirts have as logos the initials of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (Farc) or the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP).
The firm, Fighters and Lovers, says it will donate 5 euros (£3) for each T-shirt it sells.

curious how they can continue to operate, isnt that illegal?

[Major.Stupidity]

I think that the above terrorist organizations have both a political and militant wing. I'm guessing that the money would go the the above organizations political wings.

[Mr.Flint]

Originally Posted by Major.Stupidity

I think that the above terrorist organizations have both a political and militant wing. I'm guessing that the money would go the the above organizations political wings.

Political and Militant wings separation are an apologists invention....
both are financed from the same treasury, that recieves the funds.

[Major.Stupidity]

Originally Posted by Mr.Flint

Political and Militant wings separation are an apologists invention....
both are financed from the same treasury, that recieves the funds.

Only if you want to believe so..... Hamas has a political faction that helps the Palestinians, the IRA has a political faction with Sid Fein(SP?)....unless you can prove that the funds go directly to the military wing, you have no warrants behind that statement.

[Kanaric]

Its like saying because "green" ecoterrorists terrorists associated with the green party commit acts that means the green party is a terrorist organization.

[Last Roman]

How ironic would it be if the terrorist bombed that place (though I dont think terrorist will be targeting Denmark anytime soon)

[Mr.Flint]

Originally Posted by Major.Stupidity

Only if you want to believe so..... Hamas has a political faction that helps the Palestinians, the IRA has a political faction with Sid Fein(SP?)....unless you can prove that the funds go directly to the military wing, you have no warrants behind that statement.

When you donate money to Hamas, you dont control if the money goes for social or militant needs, hence this separation into wings is a pure fantasy.
Sin Fein is not a valid example.
the wikipedia offers us this quote:

The question of whether Sinn Fein is in fact the political wing of the provisional IRA remains disputed.

Hamas political faction is still called Hamas.
Military "wings" are directed by political "wings".
They are unseparatable.

Originally Posted by Kanaric

Its like saying because "green" ecoterrorists terrorists associated with the green party commit acts that means the green party is a terrorist organization.

Not at all,
unless the Green Party declares those ecoterrorists as heroes and martyrs for a just cause, and actively supports them with funds,
then the Green Party will become a terrorist organisation.

[imb39]

So, because Sinn Fein is not called the IRA, they aren't the same... Please. Sinn Fein and the IRA were/are linked at all levels. I, of course, have no proof but the links between the different echelons of 'both' organisations seem quite strong to me. To me (and the vast majority of Brits, I suspect) Sinn fein and the IRA are quite simply the same. It's this level of hypocrisy that really staggers me...

Granted, now the IRA have declared a ceasefire, but it will always rankle with me, at least, that some Americans quite happily supported the slaughter of innocent civillians and British soldiers but as soon as America realises how awful these actions are - suddenly they are all sympathetic etc. I'd hate to think how awful the situation would have been if Britain wasn't your staunchest ally...

Having said that, I whole heartedly thank America for helping to sort out the mess that Northern Ireland was in. Even though it has a long way to go, Northern Ireland, hopefully, will never go back to the bad days of the past.

Sorry for that rant... I'll get off my soap box now.

[Mr.Flint]

Originally Posted by imb39

So, because Sinn Fein is not called the IRA, they aren't the same... Please. Sinn Fein and the IRA were/are linked at all levels. I, of course, have no proof but the links between the different echelons of 'both' organisations seem quite strong to me. To me (and the vast majority of Brits, I suspect) Sinn fein and the IRA are quite simply the same. It's this level of hypocrisy that really staggers me...

Granted, now the IRA have declared a ceasefire, but it will always rankle with me, at least, that some Americans quite happily supported the slaughter of innocent civillians and British soldiers but as soon as America realises how awful these actions are - suddenly they are all sympathetic etc. I'd hate to think how awful the situation would have been if Britain wasn't your staunchest ally...

Having said that, I whole heartedly thank America for helping to sort out the mess that Northern Ireland was in. Even though it has a long way to go, Northern Ireland, hopefully, will never go back to the bad days of the past.

Sorry for that rant... I'll get off my soap box now.

No, you misunderstood me, i simply stated that Hamas Political "Wing" and Hamas Military "Wing" situation is not the same as Sinn Fein and IRA situation. im not trying to defend IRA and Sinn Fein.



speaking of hypocrisy http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/4617687.stm

[imb39]

Don't you worry, I am fully aware that Britain is full of hypocrisy as well... Sorry, to have misinterpreted your post. The IRA/Sinn Fein bit always gets to me. As a Londoner I have no particular love for either. There again, I have no love for the DUP, either (or is it UUP, can never remember which).

[Mr.Flint]

Originally Posted by imb39

Sorry, to have misinterpreted your post. The IRA/Sinn Fein bit always gets to me. As a Londoner I have no particular love for either.

Its perfectly understandable

[Major.Stupidity]

Sin Fein is not a valid example.

Ok then, how about the group that fought the ruthless Apartheid in South Africa...they had a political and military faction.....

When you donate money to Hamas, you dont control if the money goes for social or militant needs, hence this separation into wings is a pure fantasy.

Unless you give me proof, that if you donate money to the political faction of Hamas and it will go to the militant wing, your statement above is false....

What I'm saying is that there are always two factions to a group, a political faction and a military. You can see that with the group that fought the Apartheid in South Africa, they were deemed terrorists by the US. If you supported the political side of the group you were a terrorist. Which is ridiculous IMO, unless they have substantial proof that you supported the military faction of the group, they shouldn’t be able to paint you as a terrorist.

[Mr.Flint]

Originally Posted by Major.Stupidity

Ok then, how about the group that fought the ruthless Apartheid in South Africa...they had a political and military faction.....

While they had different names they still were the same, the ANC was held responsilible, for crimes committed by MK, as much as MK, during the Truth and Reconcilation Commission.

Originally Posted by Major.Stupidity

Unless you give me proof, that if you donate money to the political faction of Hamas and it will go to the militant wing, your statement above is false....

What I'm saying is that there are always two factions to a group, a political faction and a military. You can see that with the group that fought the Apartheid in South Africa, they were deemed terrorists by the US. If you supported the political side of the group you were a terrorist. Which is ridiculous IMO, unless they have substantial proof that you supported the military faction of the group, they shouldn’t be able to paint you as a terrorist.

When you donate money to Hamas, you donate money to Hamas, not Political Hamas or Military Hamas.
You fail to understand, that the Political wing of every single group in the world, directs the Military wings of those groups, thus they are unseparatable.
Supporting the Political wing you support the Military wing.

[Major.Stupidity]

Supporting the Political wing you support the Military wing.

How? Where is the brink on this story. Where to I, with supporting some group politicaly cross the divide into the military wing?

[Mr.Flint]

Originally Posted by Major.Stupidity

How? Where is the brink on this story. Where to I, with supporting some group politicaly cross the divide into the military wing?

Because the Political wing directs, finances, provides with intel, provides "diplomatic" support, spreads supporting propoganda, develops strategy etc.
You fail to understand the fact the Military wing is a branch, an extension of the Political wing.

[Lord Kal]

The PFLP and FARC need supporting. I'll be sure to send a few quid their way.

[Hellenic Hoplite]

If people can buy military uniforms produced by a country's military industry, why not be able to buy those t-shirts?

[Bwaho]

Fashion firm to support terrorists

"Terrorists are sooooo hot this year, it's the new hip thing"

[Lord Kal]

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, you know. I certainly don't consider Chavez as one of the axis of evil, and the FARC and PFLP are doing good stuff. So I really hope this site doesn't get closed down.

[Mr.Flint]

Originally Posted by Lord Kal

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, you know. I certainly don't consider Chavez as one of the axis of evil, and the FARC and PFLP are doing good stuff. So I really hope this site doesn't get closed down.

yeah really good stuff
an example of FARC's good stuff
wiki

FARC has financed itself through kidnapping ransoms, extortion, drug trafficking which includes but it is not limited to coca plant harvesting, protection of their crops, processing of coca leaves to manufacture cocaine, and drug trade protection. Many of their fronts have also overrun and massacred small communities in order to silence and intimidate those who do not support their activities, enlist new and underaged recruits by force, distribute propaganda and, more importantly, to pillage local banks. Businesses operating in rural areas, including agricultural, oil, and mining interests, were required to pay "vaccines" (monthly payments) which “protected” them from subsequent attacks and kidnappings. An additional, albeit less lucrative, source of revenue was highway blockades where guerrillas stopped motorists and buses in order to confiscate jewelry and money,

example of PFLP good stuff...

# In September 1970, the PFLP hijacked three passenger planes and took them to airfields in Jordan, where the PLO was then based; after the planes were emptied, the hijackers blew them up. In response, King Hussein of Jordan decided that Palestinian radicals had gone too far and drove the PLO out of his kingdom.
# In 1972, PFLP and Japanese Red Army gunmen murdered two dozen passengers at Israel’s international airport in Lod.
# In 1976, breaking a PLO agreement to end terrorism outside Israeli-held territory, PFLP members joined with West German radical leftists from the Baader-Meinhof Gang to hijack an Air France flight bound for Tel Aviv and landed the plane in Entebbe, Uganda. In a now famous raid, Israeli commandos stormed the plane on the Entebbe tarmac and freed the hostages.
# During the current intifada, PFLP gunmen shot dead Ze’evi, Israel’s rightist tourism minister, in a Jerusalem hotel—the first assassination of an Israeli minister. The group has also claimed responsibility for several recent car bombings and shootings in Israel and the West Bank. In April 2002, Israeli officials foiled a PFLP attempt to blow up a Tel Aviv skyscraper with a car bomb—which could have caused massive casualties and would have marked a dramatic escalation in Palestinian terrorism.

still good stuff?
btw "one man's freedom fighter anothers terrorist" is no longer valid...