Ukraine murders

[Duke]

Has anyone else heard about these?
Three 19 year old kids went around and murdered 21 people, filmed them and put them on the internet, the vid is now making the rounds in all those 'shock' video sites. It is really really brutal stuff. I'm suprised this story hasn't as received as much coverage as it has. Its some of the most brutal murders ever and the fact that they've been recorded is even worse.

They are from Ukraine, Dnepropetrovsk all aged 19. They are known as Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs. They killed 21 people, they started with small animals and moved to humans. 2 murders were filmed, over 300 photos were presented in court. First victim was killed with metal rods, but it took some time, so they used hammers as well (this is where they fit in) and continued the murder spree killings with a hammer. They said in court that 'they just wanted to have someting to remember when they were old'. All photos and videos were found on their computer, videos were filmed with cellphone (as this video). Later on, one of the suspect quit, and 2 guys continued to murder. They also attended funerals of their victims, and took pics. The videos were shown in court just recently. So these 3 are good candidates for this video."

So these kids deserve the death penalty. No excuses, no liberal moral relativism and lovey dovey ideals. Execute them.
The horrid brutality they dished out to the victims and the joy they showed during the murders is incomprehensible and inhuman. They are truly more animal than human.

[Total Fanatic :)]

Can you link the videos and the newsletter itself?

[Duke]

Hell no, I ain't linking to that video! Even having the screencap of the video on a page makes me feel queesy.
And I don't know anything about such a newsletter.

[Total Fanatic :)]

Originally Posted by Duke

Hell no, I ain't linking to that video! Even having the screencap of the video on a page makes me feel queesy.
And I don't know anything about such a newsletter.

Where did you get this information then? There must be a link...:hmmm:

[Duke]

I got it through internet forums but the video does exist as I've seen it.

[YuriVII]

I dont know, time in the most horrible post-Soviet Ukrainian prison or execution? For once I am against execution.

[Duke]

Heres a news report about it:
http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/23537

[Tigrul]

Originally Posted by Duke

They are truly more animal than human.

actually, no non-human animal would ever do such a thing. Yeah, sure, all animals kill, but not for the sake of it. The only ill-minded animals are humans, so, unfortunately, these 3 dudes are more human than animal, although they are sick humans.

[yar0]

brutal, they also came from well off families...

[Xan]

So these kids deserve the death penalty. No excuses, no liberal moral relativism and lovey dovey ideals. Execute them.
The horrid brutality they dished out to the victims and the joy they showed during the murders is incomprehensible and inhuman. They are truly more animal than human.

Nah no executions put them in some kinda horrible Soviet G prison.

[manofarms89]

gitmo? some good ol' water boarding should set them straight. hurry before it closes! nevermind thats not funny .

[Old_Scratch]

Originally Posted by Tigrul

actually, no non-human animal would ever do such a thing. Yeah, sure, all animals kill, but not for the sake of it. The only ill-minded animals are humans, so, unfortunately, these 3 dudes are more human than animal, although they are sick humans.

Chimpanzees will gang up on and kill other chimps for little or no reason.

[Panzerbear]

Originally Posted by Duke

So these kids deserve the death penalty. No excuses, no liberal moral relativism and lovey dovey ideals. Execute them.

you clearly haven't experienced Ukrainian maximum security prisons. there are things worse than death penalty, trust me.

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

Originally Posted by Duke

So these kids deserve the death penalty. No excuses, no liberal moral relativism and lovey dovey ideals. Execute them.
The horrid brutality they dished out to the victims and the joy they showed during the murders is incomprehensible and inhuman. They are truly more animal than human.

1. It's much better to be killed than to be imprisoned for life, especially when you're 19 -- if they killed one of my family members -- I would want them to suffer life without parole not just get off with being killed.

2. The death penalty is not a matter or liberal or not liberal it's matter of, "do we need it?" (no) "does it give the state too much power?" (yes) "isn't living in jail worse than death?" (yes)

3. As far as the age of the attackers go, the law says they are adults over 18, they should be treated as such. (I opposed treated criminals under 18 as adults in all cases.)

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[Duke]

Originally Posted by Oswald von Wolkenstein

1. It's much better to be killed than to be imprisoned for life, especially when you're 19 -- if they killed one of my family members -- I would want them to suffer life without parole not just get off with being killed.

2. The death penalty is not a matter or liberal or not liberal it's matter of, "do we need it?" (no) "does it give the state too much power?" (yes) "isn't living in jail worse than death?" (yes)

3. As far as the age of the attackers go, the law says they are adults over 18, they should be treated as such. (I opposed treated criminals under 18 as adults in all cases.)

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The dead only know one thing; it is better to be alive.
Death is the ultimate punishment. A punishment these thugs deserve beyond any reasonable doubt.

[Volh Vseslavich]

They should use a type of execution used in Azerbajdzjan - skin them alive, but in such way, that they will live for a few hours, and let them run around the street.

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

Originally Posted by Duke

The dead only know one thing; it is better to be alive.
Death is the ultimate punishment. A punishment these thugs deserve beyond any reasonable doubt.

The dead don't know anything. Prisoners know suffering.

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[boofhead]

I've seen the video. It's disgusting.

Basically they have beaten this guy about 50 or something, and he's lying on his back on this slope surrounded by garbage. Then this teenage guy gets a hammer with a plastic bag over it and smashes the guy in the face 10 or 15 times until his head is an unrecognisable bloody maw. The guy is still alive, you can see his chest heaving. Then they pull his shirt up and start puncturing his belly with a large screwdriver, pushing it all the way in at different angles, twisting it around etc. At the end they jab at his eyes with the screwdriver amongst other things, until he is dead. The whole thing takes about 7 minutes.

Here is a translation of what happens on the vid from another site

A translation of the video (not mine, i have no clue who the original translator is):

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Before he starts hitting him with the yellow thing, it's very quiet and mumbled I can't make it out.

(Most of what I'm making out is the camera man, it's very hard to understand the other guy due to poor audio quality and noise)

"Hold on, hold on....Be neater, !" - probably saying that to watch out for the blood.

*Laughing*

"Hold on, hold on, hold on, don't hit him, don't hit him.....Watch him *the rest is muffled*" - Psycho is probably telling him to watch how he is bleeding as he zooms in the camera to his face.

The next part has very bad audio and is very muffled by cans and such. I can make out one or two words but not enough to make out a coherent sentence.

After the screw driver stabbing:

"What?.....With what?" - As he responds to the guy who stabs him

"What, he's still alive?!?" - The guy stabbing him exclaims

The response of the camera man I can't make out perfectly because he's speaking very fast and again the quality isn't the best but I believe he says something along the lines of:

"He's still moving his arms after I ripped up his intestines"

The stabber says something along the lines of "He's having a ed up day" as he steps on his stomach.

*More muffled talk as he proceeds to stab him in the eyes with the screwdriver*

"Get over here fast.....Kill him already."

"What?" - Stabber

"Kill him already."

He says something about his hammer which I believe to be "I already put the hammer back," followed by "He's already dead." - Stabber

"He's not dead and I already poked out his eyes" - Camera man
*Note: There are mainly two of saying the word "dead" in Russian, they're using a term that is phonetically written as "zdoh," which is a way of saying "dead" when talking about animals and things lower life value, such as criminals, if that makes sense*

"Get the knife" - Camera man

*Proceeds to bludgeon him then interrupts by saying something I can't make out*

"More more" - Camera man telling him to keep bludgeoning him to make sure he's dead, and not so much for pleasure any more.

"Hold on, hold on" - Camera man

*They start walking back to the car*

More muffled talk from the blond haired piece of

"Wash your hands" - Camera Man

Camera man begins telling him something that I can't make out clearly for some reason but I believe he says "Spray the *name of the chemical*" followed by "I'll hold it," as they started to clean the hammer.

*Muffled talk from the guy washing the hammer*

*More muffled talk from the guy washing his face and walking back from his car*

"I stuck the screwdriver in his brain" - Says the camera man

*Muffled talk from the guy washing his hands*

"I got him in the nose from his eye" - Says the camera man *I'm not exactly sure on this one, but I know he says something along the lines of that.

"I don't understand, how was he alive? I felt his brain" - Says the camera man

"I was holding the screw driver like this *muffled/don't understand*" - Camera man

Before the video ends the blond piece of scum says something like "Alright, let's get a picture"

It's very sickening indeed.

*EDIT: Just my opinion....these weak little obviously get their balls to do these things from each other - they also have vids of themselves torturing cats and dogs. When these guys are convicted, as they will be (video evidence doesn't lie) - they should be sentenced to life imprisonment - and the authorities should make sure they remain forever separated. Let's see how tough they are looking after themselves.

[manofarms89]

Originally Posted by Duke

The dead only know one thing; it is better to be alive.
Death is the ultimate punishment. A punishment these thugs deserve beyond any reasonable doubt.

well seeing as how they value no life i would usually say say yes kill them. but in this case, something about "Ukrainian prison" just says worse than death.

[Pallantides]

The video is sick and revolting.