Soviet Union may have been a oppresive bunch of *******s to eastern europe but their anthem did kick ass.
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Ironically sovietman comes out of a night lit america ... ooooh wierd !!!
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The song is beautiful and all, even I know it in both - hungarian and russian, because we were forced to learn it, along with other russian songs. It's nice and all, but after singing it the thousandth time and knowing that hundreds and possibly thousands were executed , while others were singing it, makes it tainted, just like the Horst-Wessel-Lied- Nazi Hitler Jugend song.
They still use the same song as their national anthem, just different words.
Must be because he just conquered the USA and turned it into a communist dictatorship, which was the main goal of the Soviet Union (or so the neocons believed).Ironically sovietman comes out of a night lit america ... ooooh wierd !!!
Actually it was. Just as our goal was to defeat it and turn it into a democracy. And see how sucessful we've been.
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Problem is Russia would have needed large amounts of american support at the fall of the soviet union to have turned out any better.. so much support it would appear as if it was being occupied.
I really think we were sucessful.
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I weep for Russia,
Such a great and rich culture, nearly effaced for 100 years, all for the idea of man working in complete co-operation and dependence upon one another.
That is why I hate Communism and the Soviet Union.
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I don't think Russian politics can be summed up in that photo. The return to communism is minimal but propaganda about this "great" age, when Russia was a vast superpower, is abound. That has more to do with nationalism though.
Well, one has to really turn a blind eye on a lot of stuff of said prerevolution society to not understand how many Russians came to the conclusion that it might be a good idea.Such a great and rich culture, nearly effaced for 100 years, all for the idea of man working in complete co-operation and dependence upon one another.
That is why I hate Communism and the Soviet Union.
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I think Russia is more like this
To be fair, the nation made a lot of advances from 1905-1914.
While we probably wouldn't have had breakneck growth rates of the 1930s (over 100% a year in many areas), there would be a greater industrial base (owing to the lack of a civil war and the scorched earth policy during it) and people would eventually acquire some rights.
actually, they succeeded remarkably, if you judge current generations of people. they are much more helpful to each other and attentitive to each other's need than anyone in the West ever would.
there is a noticable dramatic difference even between Eastern Germans and the Western Germans. now go and say that socialism has nothing to do with it.
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Judging the Communist Revolution in Russia by only taking the opressive nature of the regime, wich had to fight a LOT of opposition especialy from the Political establishment and conservative parts of the military, is like judging the French liberal Revolution by the Reign of Terror and Robbespiere or the "English Revolution" (the events around the End of the Stuart Dynasty) judging by Cromwell's reign.
Using this logic I could argue liberal democracy the ideal behind the French Revolution is bound to become a oppressive regime pursuing agressive politics towards it's neighbours and enforcing it's ideals upon other nations. ^
Anyone remembering Napoleon ?
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Revolutions wether they are trying to create a liberal democracy or a socialist society have a strong tendency of creating an opressive system due to the radical nature inherent to any revolution (you have to overthrow the whole political establishent and alter the society!).
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That's more the result of cultural conservatism rather than of communism (although the two were intertwined in the Soviet era).actually, they succeeded remarkably, if you judge current generations of people. they are much more helpful to each other and attentitive to each other's need than anyone in the West ever would.
The west, most of which abandoned conservatism partially after WWI and fully after WWII, is merely reaping the fruits of a society with no concept of respect for anything other than special interest groups.