Polish Kingdoms action - collecting signs has been started!

[Artem20]

Two weeks ago spontaneously Users in our forums started an action against marginalization of Poland in upcoming Kingdoms, expansion pack for MTW II. Since then the debate taking place in our forum helped a lot in creating one solid standpoint among all fans. As a result we decided to get all opinions and create a petition which already has been publicly announced - an action of collecting signatures to support the petition has been officially started!.

After successful initiative regarding changing Polish emblem to white eagle, our service again comes back into the game in order to make developers pay more careful attention to Polish nation in Kingdoms.

All fans who care about Polish history and don't want to see Poland marginalized in upcoming add-on, please support our action, sign the petition and spread the news! Both Polish and English language petitions can be found here. Once again, feel most invited to sign it!

[Ferrets54]

Reads like a Sun Article about a sex change, bold text used randomly.

Personally I'd prefer a fun game.

[Woad-Warrier]

I refuse to sign.

[LoZz]

when you say marginalized what do you mean? their removing poland from the game? or their just not playing an important role in any of the new campagins?

i am sorry but you just have to accept poland was not that important to overall medieval history and that they played no role in any of the campagins.


if their being removed well its just a game if you dont like it dont play it or mod it to include poland

[Vɛrbalcartɷnist]

Thread moved to the appropriate place. --Annaeus

[Yoda Twin]

How do you know Poland will be historically inaccruatly represented in the Teutonic campaign? Have you seen there unit roster, have you seen there starting postion?

[Spart]

Every faction is historically inaccurate, and that's how they want it to be.
You can always modify it. With such a passion it shouldn't be a problem.

[Rayoken]

Originally Posted by Yoda Twin

How do you know Poland will be historically inaccruatly represented in the Teutonic campaign? Have you seen there unit roster, have you seen there starting postion?

We looked carefully at all promotional materials: screens, trailers, diaries and found nothing new for Poland, beside Hanza – but this one will be given to every nation in Teutonic Campaign. HRE, Denmark is given new units despite the fact, that their roster is already stronger and wealthier then Polish, and even more – they did not play as important role as Poland in Teutonic Wars (to be honest Denmark did not participate in this conflict). Poland is already given the crapiest and ahistorical infantry in M2, and if there won’t be any changes in Polish roster, the nation will still be boring as the poll here shows. The petition explain our attitude precisely. I’m very sad when I’m reading yours comments about Poland. You have no idea how Poland was strong, important and interesting Kingdom in medieval times, therefore you don’t care how is it presented in Kingdoms. That kind of attitude is very shallow and not friendly. So please, if you are not willing to help our initiative, at least don’t disturb it, as it is fair and noble movement.

[sapi]

The question which has to be asked is whether historical accuracy is more important than producing a fun game.

[Rayoken]

Originally Posted by sapi

The question which has to be asked is whether historical accuracy is more important than producing a fun game.

Why do both (historical accuracy and gameplay) have to exclude each other? I’m sure there is a place for both of them to exist simultaneously. Just a bit imagination plus good will and this can be achieved.

[Yoda Twin]

Youy havent seen anything new for Poland yet because all the screens where focusing on the Teutonic order and Lithuania. For CA to give them no new unit would be dumb, theres still months left until its released.

I find that mods that aim for complete historical accuracy turn out to be boring, confusing and just a waste of time. I put gameplay over Accuracy miles ahead and alot of the things CA are doing with Kingdoms look realy promising like how alot of things are happening during a campaign n ot at the start ie. how Venice come as the fourth Crusade in the Crusades and how England and France will try to colonize the Americas in the Americas campaign.

[sapi]

Originally Posted by Rayoken

Why do both (historical accuracy and gameplay) have to exclude each other? I’m sure there is a place for both of them to exist simultaneously. Just a bit imagination plus good will and this can be achieved.

Oh, I'm not saying that they can't, but I'm saying that the vast majority of gamers don't really mind if one or another faction is slightly misrepresented as long as the game's fun; and as that's where the money is, CA by proxy has the same priorities.

[Yoda Twin]

Well in some cases of Histrocal accuracy it would be impossible to make a balanced game.

[beavis]

I signed your petition. I don"t agree with all said, but I think the TOtal War devs should try to make a more true to history game than just a "historically- inspired" product.

the eastern european factions have some of the worst skins, most notably the peasants and lithuanians with their garden-gnome hats. I also can't stand the generals and captains being represented in gothic plate at the beginning of the game. I'm not so sure about the javelin-armed Polish Nobles, I always thought Polish heavy cavalry used a spear that was charged with and lithuanians used a light spisa throwing spear, but you probably have better sources.

I was hooked on all of the Total war games, except this one, the final touches on the units just kills it for me, maybe it's because the first games had the playing view from far so we didn't notice the flaws ; this one has great animations and the best combat engine (despite bugs) around, but the final touches on the units, the ahistorical banners just spoils the experience. Also unit availability to a faction seems arbitrary.

I'm waiting for the modders and hope in the future the Total War series will pay more attention to historically accurate detail, who says being historically accurate can"t be fun?

[Rayoken]

Originally Posted by Yoda Twin

Well in some cases of Histrocal accuracy it would be impossible to make a balanced game.

Please read carefully our petition in which we proved that all our suggestions will only improve the gameplay and balance between nations. We do not ask to sacrifice game’s fun for Polish historical accuracy, we ask only for similar attention as the one given to other nations. Also the game is based on history, and according to history Poland was a main player in Teutonic Wars. But all that and much more is nicely described in petition.

[Yoda Twin]

You still dont know if or if not Poland are going to be a major force in Kingdoms or not.

I wasn't talking about Poland either i was eplianing in some cases Historical Accuracy can be bad example having a campaign during Romes height.

If Poland arent a main faction in the Teutonic camapign and are a Vanilla clone then i would froum apon CA very much.

[pat the magnificent]

Aren't the polish people just a bunch of limp-wristed sissy boys? Why should they be made more powerful?



i kid, i kid. i'll sign your petition. i don't want to see any nation underpowered.

[Rayoken]

Originally Posted by pat the magnificent

Aren't the polish people just a bunch of limp-wristed sissy boys? Why should they be made more powerful?



i kid, i kid. i'll sign your petition. i don't want to see any nation underpowered.

Thank you And God bless you noble man

[baski]

Originally Posted by LoZz

when you say marginalized what do you mean? their removing poland from the game? or their just not playing an important role in any of the new campagins?

i am sorry but you just have to accept poland was not that important to overall medieval history and that they played no role in any of the campagins.


if their being removed well its just a game if you dont like it dont play it or mod it to include poland

"It was a Polish prince who invited the Order to Prussia. Polish princes were the main allies of the Order at the beginning of its expansion. It was Poland that became the greatest foe of the Order, after it turned on our country. The Polish contingent at the biggest battle of Teutonic wars – the battle of Grunwald (Tannenberg) was the largest one. It was Poland that ultimately defeated and reduced the Order to vassalage. From the historical point of view the Teutonic wars were the conflict between basically three factions: the Teutonic Order, pagan Lithuania and the betrayed Kingdom of Poland."

If this is not important role in Teutonic campain then i dont now what will be.

[Quark]

I have read your petition, which is well presented and raises many fine points. I understand your frustration in the way that eastern european faction research took a second seat to western european.

I understand this, as I suspect that had alot to do with the percieved cash return from such an investment in time and effort. CA is a company out to make money and maintain its edge in a highly competative market, so places it resources where it's mangement see the greastest potential reward.

I am a fan of this series (otherwise would not be here), but am based in England so can sit back and say - well my factions fine, but such passion and care for your history should be rewarded with at least my signature.

However before I add such, can I ask, as I am unknowledgable on this subject; whould such an increase in the Polish unit roster make Hungry unplayable.

I agree they need to redue the skins, emblem etc, heck the people who signed your petition could probarly provide all the artwork, so the investment in time by CA would me negligible, but increasing one roster, leads to increasing others.

So could those who know more about the balance of these nations in the Grand Campiagn, enlighten me please.

I write this from the point of view of the vanilla game, I cannot say what will happen in the released version of Kingdoms.

Seperately I would add, that if your country produces such a vast interest and sales for CA, then they would be foolish to ignore such a market. Also if there is a mod and models for such, post them on the english forum and generate interest that way.

Just my first thoughts - you have at least encouraged me to investigate the history of this region more closely.