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    Since this mod takes place in a similar area, would anyone here know anything about the Curonians between the years in the title? We will be including them in Wrath of the Norsemen, but would like as much information on them as we can get. Most importantly we are looking for someone to convert unit names from English to whatever we can get to be as close to their native language. Any help is very welcome!

    Thank You MADTAO for allowing me to post this.

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    Hello Vikingr,
    I found some information about Curonians in my books. Those books are in lithuanian, so I translated and summarized the information:

    Information from Alfredas Bumblauskas book:
    Adam from Bremen in XI century talked about men from Curlandia: The Curonians are the most aggressive tribesmen in their lands [balts lands]. They have good horses to their chariots; they have a lot of gold and their villages are full of magicians and wise persons.

    Information from Rima Baliukoniene book:
    The Curonians was very rich tribe, because they controlled the trade of amber. They were good sailors. They made raids in Swedish and Danish lands. Sometimes Curonians robbed bells from Danish churches and take them to their lands. Then they made weapons with the iron from the bells.


    Here I put some images from Alfredas Bumblauskas book:
    In this photo you can see one Curonian grave. It's very usefull, because here you can see one curonian long sword and one curonian axe:
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    More Curonian swords:
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    And the last image is one map where I show you 10 curonian cities:
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    At the moment it's all I have about curonians. Later I'll look for more. I hope it will be helpfull for you.
    Luck!

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    Here are first research on curonians
    Names
    Galdiks, Šupstiks, Penicks, Lipaits, Saraits, Valtaitjs , Dekeitis, Jakaitis, Sabeeks, Wirdeīns, Werdaīns, Tāveīns, Buzdeilīns , Laimings

    Forenames
    Durbe, Gaveize ,Durpis, Lamekīns, Tāwaīns, Bruzdeilīns, Wogezīns, Pērkūne, Renka, Labrencis, Enguris, Tantegode, Penikis, Kuldinga
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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    Wow, this is a big help! + rep to the both of you.

    Also, any ideas for faction symbols/banners? Any kind of art from the time?

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    Image from one lithuanian museum, Curonian family:
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    One usefull map that I found in wikipedia: link , this map it's seems usefull for his big resolution and, because there you can find more curonian cities and regions.


    Images about curonian's art from museums:
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    Luck!

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    Cheers. Is there any information around about rulers of the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Víkingr View Post
    Cheers. Is there any information around about rulers of the time?
    These curonian's art pieces would have to be until the XII century, because in XIII century (1229-1242) Curlandia was occupied by the Order of Livonia. So, after XIII century, ancient curonian's traditions were mixed with samogitians and with latvian tribes. In conclusion, the best centuries for curonians were in X-XII centuries and the majority of archeological pieces of curonians that we find now, were from those centuries. Of course we also can find some pieces previous to this centuries, like this one, from VIII-IX centuries (but this was a decoration for women):
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    More curonian's art pieces that I find in internet, these 2 photos are from Lithuanian National Museum:

    XII-XIII centuries:
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    X-XI centuries:
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    Bye!

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    Great. I don't suppose you would know who were the rulers between 785 and 1050? Also, I was reading on wikipedia (not that it would be that accurate) that the language the Curonians spoke is extinct... So for unit names, what would be the closest we could possibly get to it?

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    About unit names , i found a fanatical linguist forum and there is some research on curonian gramar. So wrote me plz here unit names in english and i try to translate them.

    About rulers, sadly there is no writen evidence yet founded about that time period rulers. All what we know comes from later times and those known names (most of them leaders) i already give you. So in random they can be close to needed result.

    Also i propose to use some home land names as forenames wich can be taken from medieval tyme maps.

    For instance : Sabeeks - from Bandava, or Galdiks - from Elsunga.

    Here are some smaler place names from cronicles wich also can be used as forenames...

    Thargolae, Osua, Langis, Venelis, Normis, Kiemala, Pygawas, Sarnitus, Riwa, Saccze, Edualia, Aliswanges, Ardus, Alostanotachos.

    Also if you have problems with fonts and gramar signs on characters like this Tāwaīns, you can wrote it like Taawaiins.

    Also intresting is the fact that best helmet founded from medieval times in Latvia teritory times is curonian one. And it is broken in ritual, becouse broken things goes with owner in to afterworld. There was two types of graves in that timescale you mod in curonia. Broken tools grave type and ritual burning grave wich shows scandinavian influence.
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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    Quote Originally Posted by MADTAO View Post
    About unit names , i found a fanatical linguist forum and there is some research on curonian gramar. So wrote me plz here unit names in english and i try to translate them.
    Well, this is what I had in mind.
    Youths
    Skirmishers
    Archers/Bowmen
    Hunters
    Veterans
    Warriors
    Bodyguard
    Swordsmen
    Spearmen
    Axemen
    Horsemen/Cavalry
    Retainers
    Raiders
    Woodsmen
    Nobles
    Fanatics

    Quote Originally Posted by MADTAO View Post
    About rulers, sadly there is no writen evidence yet founded about that time period rulers. All what we know comes from later times and those known names (most of them leaders) i already give you. So in random they can be close to needed result.
    Ok, so we will need to use our imagination for that bit .
    Last edited by Horsa; December 01, 2009 at 08:05 AM.

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    Ok i will translate as soon i get a time ...for now just some curonian gramars.

    Curonian - Latvian Alphabet


    A = A

    Ā = Ā

    B = B

    C = C

    Ç = [tsj]

    D = D

    Ë = [ae]

    Ē = Ē

    G = G

    Ġ = [gi]

    I = I

    Y = Ī

    J = J

    K = K

    Ķ = Ķ

    L=L

    Ľ = [li]

    M = M

    N = N

    Ń = [ni]

    Ō = Ō

    P = P

    R = R

    Ŗ = [ri]

    S = S

    Š = Š

    T = T

    Ţ = [ti]

    U = U

    Ū = Ū

    Z = Z


    Counting from 1 to 10


    1. Wains

    2. Duj

    3. Tŗys

    4. Ķëţuŗëi

    5. Pënķëi

    6. Šëši

    7. Sëpţyńëi

    8. Usmëi

    9. Ńëwyńëi

    10. Dësimt


    Courland Place names (Latvian - Curonian)


    Abavnieki – Abawńyki

    Aizpute – Āzpuţë

    Akmensrags – Akmënsrags

    Alsunga – Alswënġë

    Ance – Ënçë

    Anuži – Ënuġi

    Bārta – Bārta

    Bernāti – Bërnāţë

    Bēne – Bēńë

    Bunka – Bunka

    Cīrava – Çyrawa

    Dižstende - Dëlbsţëndë

    Dubeņi – Dubëńi

    Dundaga – Dundaġë

    Durbe – Durbë

    Dursupe – Dursapë

    Džūkste – Ģūksţë

    Engure – Ënġuŗë

    Ezere – Ëġëŗë

    Gavieze – Gawëiġë

    Gramzda - Gramzdë

    Grobiņa – Gŗënbińa

    Irlava – Irlawa

    Īvande – Ywandë

    Jūrkalne – Maŗëngarbë

    Kabile – Kabiľë

    Kalvene – Kalwëńë

    Kandava – Ķëndawa

    Kaņieris – Ķëńëirs

    Kazdanga – Kazdënga

    Kuldīga – Kuldyga

    Ķīķerkalns – Ķyķërgarbë

    Laidi – Laidi

    Laidze – Laiġë

    Lauciene – Lauçënë

    Lestene – Ľësţëńë

    Lielbārta – Dëlbārta

    Mežvalde – Mëdwaldë

    Mērsrags – Mērsrags

    Mundigciems – Mundigkaims

    Ovišrags – Ōwišrags

    Paplaka – Paplaka

    Pape – Papë

    Pastende – Pasţëndë

    Pelči – Pëlçi

    Pope – Popë

    Priedaine - Pŗeidëńë

    Priekule – Praikuľë

    Pūņas - Pūnas

    Pūre – Pūŗë

    Renda – Ŗënda

    Rokasbirze – Ŗënkasbirġë

    Rude – Rudë

    Sabile – Sabiľë

    Sēme – Sēmë

    Skrunda – Skrunda

    Smārde – Smārdë

    Slampe – Slampë

    Stende – Sţëndë

    Strazde – Strazdë

    Talsi – Talsi

    Tiņģere – Tinġëŗë

    Tukums - Tukums

    Tume – Tumë

    Turlava – Turlawa

    Ugāle – Ugāľë

    Ukri – Ukŗi

    Usma – Usmë

    Užava – Užawa

    Vadakste - Wadaksţë

    Vaiņode – Waińëndë

    Sasmaka – Sasmaka

    Vandzene – Wënġëńë

    Vāne – Wēńë

    Vārme – Wārmë

    Vecpils – Wārpils

    Vectilža – Wārţilġë

    Ventava – Wëntawa

    Ventspils – Wëntspils

    Vērgale – Wērgaľë

    Viesatas – Waisatas

    Vilgāle – Wilgāľë

    Vībiņi – Wybińi

    Zante – Zënţë

    Zentene – Ġënţëńë

    Ziras – Ġiras

    Zlēkas – Zľēkas

    Ķūļciems – Ķūlkaims

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    Finished!


    Eng - Curonian


    Youths ---- Pōiki
    Skirmishers ---- Strëlńyki
    Bowmen ---- Lōkińyki
    Hunters ---- Mëdńyki
    Veterans ---- Dižwyri
    Warriors ---- Kaŗawyri
    Bodyguard ---- Kōngu Sarġi
    Swordsmen ---- Zōbinwyri
    Spearmen ---- Šķēpunëši
    Axemen ---- Kirwińyki
    Horsemen ---- Jātńyki
    Retainers ---- Lykōpńyki
    Raiders ---- Bandëńyki
    Woodsmen ---- Mëžawyri
    Nobles ---- Dižukilši
    Fanatics ---- Dulľaińi
    Last edited by MADTAO; December 05, 2009 at 05:40 PM.

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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    Wow! Thank you!!!

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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    For a faction symbol, how about using the symbol on the forth stone? To be honest I don't know what it is, so I'm asking you.
    http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2598/...fd200e5fd2.jpg

    Edit: Something like this?
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    Here will be more proper, chose color as you like. First is sun in sky, second more like moon in night.



    Last edited by MADTAO; December 07, 2009 at 04:58 AM.

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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    That first one is great! Thanks!

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    Very nice faction symbols MATDAO! The second one, moon in night is impressive.

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    I will try to search some photos, but there is nearly no photos about curonian reconstruction, they all are balts.



    Vilkatlakai
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    I find some more pics from the meeting that made the people from MATDAO's previous photo.

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    Default Re: Curonians "AD 785-1050" [HELP]

    Thanks guys!

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