New DLC : Dragonborn

**Darth Ravenous** · February 20, 2013, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by goro

?i meant that if you don't craft in master the game is very difficult

My mistake

**goro** · February 20, 2013, 06:05 PM

Yeah sentences without punctuation can be misleading

**mike^_^** · February 23, 2013, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Karstaag like I said is unmarked, there is a point on the map aptly named, so you should find the connection easy. You have to find his skull first before you can actually summon and fight him, but the fight is well worth it. When you defeat him you get a little goodie as well.

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**Legio** · February 23, 2013, 07:55 PM

Could it be that 'The Bigger They Are' or 'The Bigger They Come' quest mod? I know that adds a humongous giant to fight.

Actually, the wiki says that you get a power to summon Karstaag after defeating him, but he becomes hostile after becoming attacked three times. Doesn't say if you have to be the attacker, though.

**mike^_^** · February 23, 2013, 11:04 PM

Nah, never heard of that mod. It wasn't a regular frost giant. I am almost certain that he was named Karstaag, and his ghost appeared after I put his skull on a throne (persumably, "Karstaag's Skull"), upon defeating him I was given a ... power, I believe, to summon him three times. Only months ago.. and in the Forgotten Vale. It's too bad I don't have that save anymore, to know for 100% what the summonable frost giant's name was. Very wierd that whoever made that mod, Bethesda's Karstaag is exactly the same, with the same exact power granted upon defeat. I will be going to the Forgotten Vale shortly, I still have generally the same list of mods.. hopefully I run into the mini-quest again

**Mhaedros** · February 24, 2013, 02:43 AM

Hey, I remember that actually! It was in the Falmer castle thingy before you met with the bad guy, but I'm pretty sure it was a regular frost giant.

**mike^_^** · February 24, 2013, 05:27 AM

So he wasn't named from what you remember? Did you return a skull to a throne, and then he appeared? Hmm.. I do remember a frost giant in one of the rooms in the chantry.. this is indeed a regular frost giant, there is no mini-quest involving a skull involved, and you don't receive a summon spell upon defeating him. Unless you are proposing another frost giant linked to a throne/skull in the chantry?

**Mhaedros** · February 24, 2013, 05:33 AM

Well, I know I placed a crown or something on a throne or similar after which he woke up. That must've been what you remember too.

**mike^_^** · February 24, 2013, 03:23 PM

You're talking about the frost giant that carries the http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ruby_Paragon? He's not named, and doesn't give you a summon power upon defeat. The frost giant connected to a crown/throne, how did you know to put the crown/skull on the throne/altar? Was it a journal book you picked up? I remember reading a journal telling me to put the skull/crown on the throne/altar. I am almost 100% positive that this frost giant was named, because I remember how I was eager to see him face off against dragons. I even recall summoning him in the middle of a bandit camp, because I simply wanted to see what it did. Do all frost giants have that blizzard environmental effect? This one did.

**SturmChurro** · February 24, 2013, 10:03 PM

Nah, normal frost giants are just like stronger (yes) normal giants, but look like an abomination. All frost giants are unnamed and carry a Paragon.

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**mike^_^** · February 25, 2013, 02:24 PM

It was a rhetorical question SturmChurro. We are all well aware what frost giants look like, and what their capabilities are. What was being brainstormed, was which mod was possibly responsible for a named frost giant ghost (most likely Karstaag, though I cannot definitively remember.) in the Forgotten Vale, who upon defeat gives you a summon (frost giant name) spell. The mini-quest, which may or may not be unmarked in the journal, involves a skull or crown being returned to a throne or altar, and I remember being directed to this from a journal/note I picked up somewhere. I am only curious about finding out where it comes from, because as I said, it was months ago, before Dragonborn was released. It is curious because the effects of the summon spell were identical to the Karstaag reward in Dragonborn.

Unfortunately, I have just made a clean sweep of the Forgotten Vale with a new character. I could not find anything like what I described. It appears that I no longer have the mod responsible loaded, or that I am insane and this never existed in the first place.

**SturmChurro** · February 25, 2013, 04:13 PM

Maybe you are getting things mixed up.

Best not to delve on it. I have driven myself crazy with things like this..

**Mhaedros** · February 26, 2013, 07:23 AM

You are not insane, you just remember things wrong I think

I remember that same frost giant in the Snow Elf castle thingy, but he was NOT named and I can't say I got a spell out of it.

**mike^_^** · February 26, 2013, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Mhaedros

You are not insane, you just remember things wrong I think

I remember that same frost giant in the Snow Elf castle thingy, but he was NOT named and I can't say I got a spell out of it.

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Originally Posted by mike^_^

You're talking about the frost giant that carries the http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Ruby_Paragon? He's not named, and doesn't give you a summon power upon defeat.

Precisely. The frost giant in the chantry that carries the Ruby Paragon is not named, does not grant a summoning spell upon defeat, does not summon ice wraiths, and does not utilize a blizzard attack. I just went through it again yesterday, and killed all the frost giants carrying the paragons. There is no skull or crown connected with any of them that hold the paragons. The frost giant that holds the Ruby Paragon is walking around in one of the rooms of the chantry the entire time, he is not awakened with a skull or crown and a throne/altar. I did it as a vampire with detect auras, he is 100% awake the whole time.

What are you saying here? :

Originally Posted by Mhaedros

Hey, I remember that actually! It was in the Falmer castle thingy before you met with the bad guy, but I'm pretty sure it was a regular frost giant.

Which is in response to this post :

Originally Posted by mike^_^

Nah, never heard of that mod. It wasn't a regular frost giant. I am almost certain that he was named Karstaag, and his ghost appeared after I put his skull on a throne (persumably, "Karstaag's Skull"), upon defeating him I was given a ... power, I believe, to summon him three times. Only months ago.. and in the Forgotten Vale. It's too bad I don't have that save anymore, to know for 100% what the summonable frost giant's name was. Very wierd that whoever made that mod, Bethesda's Karstaag is exactly the same, with the same exact power granted upon defeat. I will be going to the Forgotten Vale shortly, I still have generally the same list of mods.. hopefully I run into the mini-quest again

**MrBoBo1** · March 15, 2013, 01:19 AM

Characters and story seem like a big improvement over the base game.

**SturmChurro** · March 15, 2013, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by MrBoBo1

Characters and story seem like a big improvement over the base game.

I just wish there were more of them.

**Påsan** · March 29, 2013, 01:16 PM

Finished it, went to all the dungeons and did all the book thingies. Throughoutly enjoyable and took a lot of time. I too started around lvl 6, I cant stand wasting a expatiation pack on a character that is capable of murdering his way through the game without breaking a sweat. I also played as a sword and board character with natural smith skills and no enchanting whatsoever. At the beginning me and my follower Vilja was getting smacked around by Ash spawn, but it got progressively easier as i improved up until the level of 24, although those damn seekers got me a good number of times. A freakishly annoying enemy.