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    Russian Unit Roster Part 3

    1. Fusilier pouch (with centrally disposed bag for flints) Since 1700.
    Bayonet and scabbard 1700-1708.
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    2. Fusilier pouch 1700-1732.
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    3. Jupe on the left (1700-1720). Jupe and camisole for Life-guards Preobrazhenskiy Regiment amidst(1700-1720). Jupe and camisole for Life-guards officers on the right (1720-1725).
    Attachment 211369
    4. Spearhead for Pikemen. Life-guards Regiments (1700-1732). Spear standard for Pikemen. Life-guards Regiments (1700-1732). Cartouche and pistol for Pikemen.
    Attachment 211370
    Other pictures (Spear standard for Pikemen and pistols for Pikmen and Dragoons)
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0175.jpg

    5. Drum for Life-Guards Regiments (1700-1732).
    Attachment 211371
    6. Grenadier Pouch (above) and cartouche (beneath)(1700-1732).
    Attachment 211372

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    WOW your documents are really great! Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flikitos View Post
    WOW your documents are really great! Thank you!
    It's just a little bit of HUGE RUSSIAN PIE!

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    Russian Unit Roster Part 4

    1) Officer jetton and scarf (1700-1732). 2) Swords for Officers (1700-1732). 3) Jettons for ober-officers and staff-officers 4) Partisans for ober-officers and staff-officers (1700-1732). 5) Banner. Life-Guards Preobrazhenskiy Regiment (1701). 6) Banner. Life-Guards Preobrazhenskiy Regiment (1707).
    Attachment 211386

    Other pictures
    Officer jettons and scarfs for ober-officers and staff-officers (1700-1732); Partisans for ober-officers and staff-officers (1700-1732)
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0167@.jpg

    Halberds for sergeants, quartermasters and fourriers 1700-1732
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0165.jpg

    Swords, bayonet and sword knot (1700-1732); Pouches: for fusiliers (soldiers) on the left and for grenadiers on the right (1700-1732)
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0162@.jpg

    Tricorns for Officers and lower ranks (1700-1732)
    and fusils (1700-1732): a)1701 b)1710 c)1717 d)1723
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0160@.jpg

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    Wangrin, did you see my answer about the American early Militia, Rangers and Independent Regt?

    What are you going to do for early French American units? You have between two to three choices, which are:
    -Compagnie Franche de la Marine
    -Milice Canadienne
    -Garde du Gouverneur

    I also started to gather data about the amerindians.

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    Thank you Pashka! We will keep it for the next release!

    162eRI, I already did the Compagnie Franche de la Marine I think the others will come with a little patch which will complete the french roster. The same thing for British.

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    Thank you Pashka! We will keep it for the next release!

    162eRI, I already did the Compagnie Franche de la Marine I think the others will come with a little patch which will complete the french roster. The same thing for British.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 162eRI View Post
    Wangrin, did you see my answer about the American early Militia, Rangers and Independent Regt?

    What are you going to do for early French American units? You have between two to three choices, which are:
    -Compagnie Franche de la Marine
    -Milice Canadienne
    -Garde du Gouverneur

    I also started to gather data about the amerindians.
    Sorry, I'm was a bit busy.

    Compagnie Franche de la Marine are already planed but they will be recruitable only in Europe.
    As in real history they were send from France (only officers ware Canadians), the player will have to do the same.

    I will create "Milice Canadienne" but I don't know when (I have to work on NPI cavalry release after the "rush" on early XVIIIth century French and English models).
    Your documents will be particularly useful, thanks again

    Maybe I will add a "Quebec Militia", a kind of bourgeois militia.


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    Thanks

    Indeed, unlike many Independent companies in the 13 colonies raised there and not only in Britain, the first Compagnie Franche de la Marine in Canada were raised in France.

    I'm trying to find once again the documents about the urban milice "bourgeoise" of New France. There were dressed fancy and used mostly for parades and ceremonies.

    For the "garde du gouverneur" you already got the data.

    Good luck with all your modding work.

    CHeers

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    Independent Companies were mostly regular infantry soldiers send in Americas from England.
    I have only one account of a regular infantry regiment raised in ... during WSS (War od Spanish Succession).
    New York : 2 Independant companies (1700)
    Albany : 2 Independant companies + 1 artillery company(1700)
    Virginia : 1 Independant company
    Newfoundland : 1 Independant company (1701)
    Most independant companies were composed of 100 men + some officers.

    The first infantry regiment raised was Philips' 40th of foot, formed in 1707 from 4 independent companies.
    So, not really a "real" american regiment.

    Militia will have artillery company (Boston for instance as 3 bombardiers were send from London Tower to train the local militia in 1709).

    Things really begin to change around 1740, but this will be take into account with mid XVIIIth century unit roster, not early XVIIIth century roster.


    About Compagnies Franches de la Marine, I have read some studies about how they were composed (from where men came, etc.).
    What it is possible to said is :
    During early XVIIIth century, 1/3 of officers were Canadian, others came from France
    Most men come from France and the ones whose were Canadian were mostly servants tied to Canadian officers.

    But in 1740 if men still came from France, most of officers were Canadians.

    Les hommes des troupes de la marine en Nouvelle-France (1683-1763)
    Amérindiens et soldats des troupes de la marine en Louisiane et au Pays d'en haut (1683-1763)


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    Russian Unit Roster Part 5


    kartuz*- a sort of military headwear. Here is a picture. Kartuz for Line Infantry and Cavalry 1700-1720




    Uniform colouring for Line infantry regiments (the early XVIII c.)


    REGIMENT JUPE CAMISOLE BREECHES HEADWEAR FOOTWEAR

    Vladimirskiy red white white ? ?

    Sibirskiy green ? ? green kartuz* shoes and stockings

    Nizhegorodskiy green ? goatskinned black tricorn shoes and boots

    Voronezhskiy dark green ? ? ? shoes and boots

    Vologodskiy ? ? ? ? ?

    Kievskiy red ? ? black tricorn ?

    Rostovskiy green ? ? black tricorn ?

    Lefortovskiy red ? ? black tricorn boots

    Yaroslavskiy green ? red ? ?

    Koporskiy green ? ? black tricorn shoes and boots


    Velikoluckiy dark green red red ? shoes and boots

    Smolenskiy dark green red red ? shoes and stockings

    Ingermanlandskiy ? goatskinned goatskinned ? ?

    Permskiy green ? ? yellow kartuz ?

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    I did learn the same thing for the Compagnie Franche, even by 1740, most of the soldiers were still French, but the officers were Canadian. Also, for game purpose, I suppose you could make them available in Canada? Argg, I can't find back the Canadian "milice bourgeoise"...

    I learnt there were also "maréchaussée" unit (archers de la marine and archers de la maréchaussée) in New France, but very very few, not even enough to make one regiment for the mod LOL But I love their uniforms:
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    http://www.cmhg.gc.ca/cmh/image-140-fra.asp?page_id=158
    http://100associes.free.fr/Expo3/ExpoTemp3.html
    http://100associes.free.fr/Expo3/ExpoTemp3-2.html
    If you do make the "gardes du gouverneur", you know with "mousquetaire" uniforms like, you could add amongst them one or two "archers" uniforms. Is it possible?

    For the Independent companie it's what I read from Osprey books (a proof furthermore, they are listed in the books "colonial american troops 1, 2 & 3" of Osprey and not "British army in North America"). They said some units were raised in the colonies and for the others many american filled the gap in the ranks. Of course, other units were also sent from England (like for exemple in South Carolina against the Spanish in 1721)
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    New York Independent Company


    New England Independent Company


    etc...


    We have to keep in mind that unlike New France, the 13 colonies (mostly the Northen part) were highly populated and already developed! Also, it can be interesting for the gameplay if we have to bring them from England, instead of just recruiting them "easily" from the colonies. And like you said many things changed circa 1740, the first Provincial Units were raised at this dates.

    Glad you are going to give them artillery, and it appears to have been more of a militia artillery than the first colonial artillery companies raised in the 1740s:
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    Oh and by the 1750s companies of Governor's Horse Guards for the Governor. But couldn't find the uniform yet. Perhaps similar to homeland horse guards?
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    They also had Governor's Foot Guard for the governor obviously. Sorry this is a picture for the 1770s, couldn't find one for before:
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    Ooh! What a pity! My table is ruined... Can anyone puzzle it out?
    Sooo for Flikitos and other team members. I wrote an example to understand.

    1) REGIMENT 2) JUPE 3)CAMISOLE 4) BREECHES 5)HEADWEAR 6)FOOTWEAR

    1) Nizhegorodskiy - for REGIMENT title 2)green - colour of JUPE 3)blue - colour of JUPE 4) yellow - colour of BREECHES 5) a. red - colour of HEADWEAR; b. kartuz/tricorn - kind of HEADWEAR 6) shoes and boots/shoes and stockings/ etc. - kind ofFOOTWEAR
    *? - means NO INFORMATION

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    Russian Unit Roster Part 6

    1. Grenadier. Grenadier Company of Life-Guards Semenovskiy Regiment. 1700-1720.
    Attachment 211715

    2. Cap for Life-Guards Grenadiers. 1700-1732.
    Attachment 211716

    3. Ober-officer. Grenadier Company of Life-Guards Preobrazhenskiy Regiment. 1700-1732.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0173.jpg

    4. Fusiliers (soldiers) of Line Infantry Regiments. 1700-1720.
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    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0180.jpg


    5. Officer of Line Infantry Regiment 1700-1720.
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    6. Grenadier. Grenadier Regiment. 1700-1720. Grenadier Cap 1700-1732.
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    Other pictures (Grenadier. Grenadier Regiment. 1700-1720. Grenadier Cap 1700-1732.)
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0183.jpg
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0184@.jpg

    7. Sergeant. Line Infanty Regiment. 1700-1720.
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    Other pictures (Officer and Sergeant 1700-1720)
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/03.gif

    8. Officer. Life-Guards Semenovskiy Regiment. 1700-1720.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0179.jpg

    Other pictures
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/02.gif

    9.Officer. Line infantry Regiment. 1700-1732.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0186.jpg

    Other pictures
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/07.gif

    10. Fusilier. Life-Guards Semenovskiy Regiment. 1700-1720.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0178.jpg

    11. Sailor. 1711
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/08.gif

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    Russian Unit Roster Part 7

    Uniform colouring for Line infantry regiments (1711.)

    1) REGIMENT 2) JUPE 3) BREECHES 4)HEADWEAR

    1 Narvskiy 2 dark green 3 red 4 black tricorn
    1 Ivangorodskiy 2 green 3 red 4 black tricorn
    1 Astrakhanskiy 2 green 3 deerskined 4 ?
    1 Saksonskiy (Renzel's) 2 green 3 ? 4 green kartuz with red cap-band
    1 Shlissel'burgskiy 2 green 3 ? 4 red kartuz with yellow liner
    1 Kievskiy 2 red with yellow cuffs 3 red 4 black tricorn
    1 Butyrskiy 2 red 3 ? 4 yellow kartuz with red cap-band
    1 Novgorodskiy 2 green 3 ? 4 white kartuz with green cap-band
    1 Belgorodskiy 2 cornflower blue 3 ? 4white kartuz with green cap-band
    1 Kazanskiy 2 blue 3 ? 4 red kartuz with cornflower blue cap-band
    1 Velikoluckiy 2 white with blue cuffs 3 ? 4 white kartuz with with red cap-band

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    Thanks Pashka for your documents again. You are real goldmine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flikitos View Post
    Thanks Pashka for your documents again. You are real goldmine!
    It's a kinda hobby for me. Just keep up your amazing work, mate!

    Russian Unit Roster Part 8

    1. Fusilier (soldier) of Moskovskiy Dragoon Regiment. 1712-1720
    Attachment 212243

    Other pictures Fusilier (soldier) of Dragoon Regiment. 1712-1720
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0187.jpg

    2. Fusilier (soldier) of Dragoon Regiment. 1720-1732
    Attachment 212246

    3. Officer. Dragoon Regiment. 1700-1720
    Attachment 212248

    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0191.jpg

    4. Dragoon saddle with holster and Dragoon baldric. 1700-1732
    Attachment 212249

    Other pictures Dragoon broadswords, saddle with holster and baldric. 1700-1732
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0188@.jpg

    5. Fusilier, Officer and Bombardier of Artillery Regiment. 1712-1720
    Attachment 212250 Attachment 212251

    Other pictures (Officer, Bombardier, Fusilier of Artillery Regiment. 1712-1720)
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0193.jpg
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/04.gif

    6. Dragoon kettledrums 1700-1732. Helberd and hand-mortar for Bombardier of Artillery Regiment. 1712-1732
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0192@.jpg

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    Russian Unit Roster Part 9

    Uniform colouring for Grenadier regiments (the early XVIII c.)

    1) REGIMENT 2) JUPE 3)CAMISOLE 4)HEADWEAR 5)FOOTWEAR

    1) 1st Grenadier 2 green 3 ? 4 ? 5 ?

    1) 2nd Grenadier 2 green 3 red 4 cornflower blue cap 5 shoes and stockings

    Uniform colouring for Line infantry regiments (the early XVIII c.)

    1) REGIMENT 2) JUPE 3)CAMISOLE 4) BREECHES 5)HEADWEAR

    1 Luckiy 2 green 3 goatskinned 4 goatskinned 5 cornflower blue kartuz

    1 Moskovskiy 2 white with blue cuffs 3 goatskinned 4 goatskinned 5 black tricorn

    1 Vladimirskiy 2 dark green with redcuffs 3 deerskinned 4 deerskinned 5 black tricorn, red kartuz

    1 Tverskoy 2 green with redcuffs 3 deerskinned 4 deerskinned 5 black tricorn, green kartuz

    1 Rostovskiy 2 dark green with redcuffs 3 goatskinned 4 deerskinned 5 dark green kartuz with black cap-band

    1 Pskovskiy 2 blue with redcuffs 3 deerskinned 4 deerskinned 5 black tricorn, blue kartuz

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    Icon1 Re: [ISIII] Units Documents needed

    So I decided to put out a bit of Streltsy coz these tough guys were still playing a definite role in the early XVIII century.

    Russian Unit Roster Part 10
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    Other pictures
    1) Equipment
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._equipment.jpg

    2) Officers on the left and soldiers on the right.
    http://www.adfontes.veles.lv/warrior...orma-17v-4.jpg

    3) Streltsy of Moscow in 1674
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T01/pic/pic0111.jpg
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T01/pic/pic0109.jpg
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T01/pic/pic0108.jpg
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T01/pic/pic0112.jpg (flag bearer and soldier)
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T01/pic/pic0113.jpg (Officers)

    Standarts of Streltsy Regiments
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T01/pic/pic0126.jpg (1674)
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T01/pic/pic0131.jpg (Streltsy Regiment of Astrakhan . 1693)
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T01/pic/pic0134.jpg (Streltsy Regiment of Moscow 1699)

    Uniform
    Streltsy had identical uniforms (for wartime and common dealings grey, black or brown coats and red green, yellow blue coats for parades with yellow and more rare green and red boots), training and weapons (arquebuses, muskets, poleaxes, bardiches (used to steady their gun while firing), sabers, and sometimes pikes).

    The last decades of the Streltsy Regiments (1689-1720)
    After the fall of tsarevna Sophia in 1689, the government of Peter the Great engaged in a process of gradual limitation of the streltsy’s military and political influence. Eight Moscow regiments were removed from the city and transferred to Belgorod, Sevsk and Kiev.
    In spite of these measures, the streltsy revolted yet again while Peter was on his Great Embassy in Europe. Although the revolt was put down by the Scottish general Patrick Gordon (he had entered Russian service under Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich in 1661) even before the Tsar's return to Russia, Peter nonetheless cut short his embassy and returned to finally crush the streltsy with savage reprisals, including public executions and torture. Tortures included roasting the bare back, tearing flesh with iron hooks, and crushing feet in wooden presses called butucks; executions included being broken by the wheel and being buried alive. Many of the bodies were hung around the monastery where Princess Sophia and Eudoxia were confined for aiding the rebellion.
    The corps was technically abolished in 1689; however, after having suffered a defeat at Narva in 1700, the government stopped their disbandment. The most efficient streltsy regiments took part in the most important military operations of the Great Northern War and in Peter’s Prut Campaign of 1711. Gradually, streltsy were incorporated into the regular army. At the same time, they started to disband the Municipal Streltsy.
    Liquidation of most streltsy units was finally finished in the 1720s; however, the Municipal Streltsy were kept in some cities until the late 18th century.
    The Preobrazhenskiy and Izmailovsky regiments of Imperial Guards replaced the streltsy as the tsar's bodyguards.

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    Icon4 Re: [ISIII] Units Documents needed

    Russian Unit Roster Part 10

    1. Officer. Life-Guards Regiments. 1720-1732
    Attachment 213517

    2. Fusilier (soldier). Life-Guards Preobrazhenskiy Regiment. 1720-1732
    Attachment 213518

    Other pictures.
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/05.gif
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0195.jpg Sergeant (on the left) and Fusilier (on the right)

    3. Soldier. Garisson Regiment. 1720-1732
    Attachment 213519

    Other pictures.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0200.jpg Soldiers in military (on the left) and work (on the right) uniform. Garisson Regiment. 1720-1732

    4. Horse-gusrdsman (on the left) and timpanist (on the right) of Horse-Guardsman Company. 1724
    Attachment 213520

    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0204.jpg

    5. Officer (on the left) and soldier (on the right) of Life-Regiment. 1724-1730
    Attachment 213521

    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0231.jpg Officer (on the right) and soldier (on the left) of Life-Regiment 1727-1730

    6. Officer (on the left) and soldier (on the right) of Artillery Regiment. 1729-1732
    Attachment 213522

    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0202.jpg Unter-officer of Artillery Regiment. 1720-1728
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0236.jpg Fusilier (Soldier) of Artillery Regiment 1728-1732
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0237.jpg Corpral, Sergeant, Officer (sunwise) 1728-1732
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0238.jpg Timpanist, Hautboyist and Drummer 1728-1732
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/10.gif Corpral of Artillery Regiment 1728-1732

    7. 1) Hand-mortar for bombardier of Artillery Regiment 1712-1720. 2) Dragoon Pistol. 3-4) Dragoon carabines 5) Horse-gusrdsman carabine 6-7) Infantry fusils.
    Attachment 213523

    8. Horse-guardsman nakers. 1724-1731. 1726-1731
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0205.jpg

    9. Midshipman 1728
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/09.gif

    10. Dragoon Officer. 1700-1732
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/06.gif

    11. Dragoon Fusilier (Soldier) 1720-1732
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0199.jpg
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0201.jpg Fusilier (Soldier) of Dragoon garisson Regiment 1720-1732

    12. Fusilier (Soldier) Life-guards Semenovskiy Regiment. 1720-1732
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0196.jpg

    13. Fusilier of Line Infantry Regiment. 1720-1732
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0198.jpg

    14. Ukrainian Landmilitia. 1713-1736
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0203.jpg

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