====Real Combat + Recruitment for TATW 1.3 released Hotfix OCTOBER 30====

[Lord Derfel]

My condolences for your loss.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by Incontinenta Buttox

I'm glad someone else noticed how hard the Rhun generals are. I can also verify that they only seem to be recruiting basic troop types.

Not that it matters because the general and his bodyguard can kill half my army.

Rhun general is no more tough than Swan Knight general - less in fact. He has one more armor than standard Kataphract and 2 more defense, and 1/3 the numbers. The traits of the general can make him very tough, if this is a problem, we need to examine traits etc, but this applies to all generals, not just Rhun. Rhun Kataphracts die quickly to AP weapons because they have no shield, but you shouldn't expect to be killing them much, if at all, with archery etc, as both man and horse are mostly impervious to it, as were the Byzantine Kataphracts in their time. You need to be thinking about pikes, halberds and second lines of heavy AP units to kill Kapatpracts, as the later medievals found. Did you notice how slowly Kataphracts move? They use the slowest horse anim and then lower that by another 15%.

You are complaining that Rhun has many light units, that is true but once they get going in mid-game (turn 80+) you will start to see many more clanguard, Kataphract etc. Their recruit priorities are biased towards the heavier units and as soon as they are available, they will be recruited. Variags have a restrictive AOR so are seen less.

And remember that people have been saying that Rhun is overpowered in campaign.

[Pleiades]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Guys I will be absent from here, or at least around less, for a bit, my closest friend just died suddenly from a heart attack caused by complications from cancer, so I will be flying out to his funeral, then have some business in the region and around which could see me quite busy for a while.

I have empathy for you. Losing closest friend is terrible attack on our psychological peace and balance. Regardless of your possible religious or non-religious beliefs - knowing that he is not suffering from cancer anymore can help you to relax a little.

As for TATW and SS, I am patiently awaiting that you remove those siege codes, cause I got CTD this time with SS too () on reloading on turn 4 with Khwarezmians and Germanicu5 wish that I praise or blame his new elephants. Not that I just need to survive CTDs, but also Mongols so I can face Timurids one day in campaign and confront and survive G5 elephants. (Yeah, tell him G5! )

Captain Picard, sorry for Khwarezmian commercials in wrong thread. It happens sometimes, you know.

[LethaL]

hi PB, first of all sorry for your loss...

i think there might be something wrong with the garrison script cause i saw isengard conquering helms deep without the garrison script be activated...and another thing, rhun was destroyed around turn 50 and they had almost the starting settlements...i use toggle fow and saw that the setlements just turn rebel.

I don't know if it just me or someone had this problems too...oh and another thing rohan is being conquered very fast...i not know if it's relationed with the garrison script because the rohan settlements are always unprotected, just having 1\2 units while being attacked...

keep up the good work

[Leesin]

Sorry to hear PB, I lost one of my best friends in a car crash when we were 19, it is devastating but try to stay strong and keep your head up mate.

[Juli]

That´s sad, man

PB´s friend

[Vifarc]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Latest hotfix contains for some reason full config file, which overwrites your settings.
purify the config file so it contains only vital mod info and the rest is used from your personal settings...

That overwrite is really boring. What are those vital infos? (only "mod = mods/Third_Age"?)

[util]
no_animdb = 1
[features]
editor = true
mod = mods/Third_Age
[io]
file_first = true
[log]
to=logs/auh.system.log.txt
level =ai.ltgd trace
level =game.script* trace
file = game.script* logs/auh.script.log.txt
file = ai.ltgd logs/auh.ai.log.txt
level = * trace
[ai]
ltgd_logging = true
[video]
show_banners = 1
grass_distance = 9000
widescreen = 1
[misc]
show_hud_date = true
[game]
unlimited_men_on_battlefield = 1
no_campaign_battle_time_limit = 0
unit_size = normal
[hotseat]
save_prefs = true
save_config = true

[Ozzmosis]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Rhun Kataphracts die quickly to AP weapons because they have no shield, but you shouldn't expect to be killing them much, if at all, with archery etc, as both man and horse are mostly impervious to it, as were the Byzantine Kataphracts in their time.

hmm, in campaigns, as rohan, i like to do bodyguard "duels". Rhun foolishly sent their khan alone on an invasion so i sent theoden with just one unit of rohan horsearchers to take him out. as the kataphracts approached, i sent the archers around their back, and about 60-80% of the khans bodyguard died before the rohan bodyguard charged them and sent them routing Borthand tried to run but my light horsearchers easily caught up with him. got a tidy ransom for him!

btw, condolences about your friend, i too have suffered deaths of friends and family recently.

[Vifarc]

Turn 49, Isengard and OotMM are at war with each other.

[tarvu]

Playing as Gondor everytime I defend against an army from Mordor with 2 or more armies, or if I have multiple defending armies I get a CTD when I begin deployment. I haven't had this problem with the standard Third Age mod, or before. Obviously it must not be common, but I was wondering if anyone had run into this before?

I'm running Windows 7 if that has anything to do it with it, but I didn't have any problems during the installation and can fight battles with only one army each just fine. 2 or more and it crashes to desktop sometimes leaving the command prompt window open. I was wondering if that has to do with one of the mods included in the pack?

[DeadlyVortex]

Sorry for your loss as well man.

On another note though, in regards to the Economy in this game...is there any chance a can use the 'More Trade' 2.1 release with this..? It doesn't seem like i can, but i hate the economy in this version of the game. i love everything else, but i really hate the complete waste of space that is the 'market' buildings in this game...or maybe its just because i'm using RC/RR. Either way, I can see absolutely NO point in ever building them...Is it just because i'm the elves, and they aren't a profitiable race..?

[Space Voyager]

Sorry to hear about your friend.

[Incontinenta Buttox]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Rhun general is no more tough than Swan Knight general - less in fact. He has one more armor than standard Kataphract and 2 more defense, and 1/3 the numbers. The traits of the general can make him very tough, if this is a problem, we need to examine traits etc, but this applies to all generals, not just Rhun. Rhun Kataphracts die quickly to AP weapons because they have no shield, but you shouldn't expect to be killing them much, if at all, with archery etc, as both man and horse are mostly impervious to it, as were the Byzantine Kataphracts in their time. You need to be thinking about pikes, halberds and second lines of heavy AP units to kill Kapatpracts, as the later medievals found. Did you notice how slowly Kataphracts move? They use the slowest horse anim and then lower that by another 15%.

You are complaining that Rhun has many light units, that is true but once they get going in mid-game (turn 80+) you will start to see many more clanguard, Kataphract etc. Their recruit priorities are biased towards the heavier units and as soon as they are available, they will be recruited. Variags have a restrictive AOR so are seen less.

And remember that people have been saying that Rhun is overpowered in campaign.

Thanks for the feedback PB.

I haven't played TATW for quite a few months so a lot has changed. I have never came across a Rhun army before because I never played Dale before.

Of course you are right about needing different tactics to take down a Rhun general, although not easy with only militia troops to call upon at this stage. I would not say that Rhun is overpowered though.

I have had a few other surprises. Such as the Witch King and his army totally ruin my Gondor campaign by killing my two full stacks in Osgiliath and Minas Tirith. Wow!!! Those Barad-Dur Guards. I mean how tough are they? Especially when there was half a stack of them with the Witch King.

Also playing a Silvan campaign, was quite surprised to see my archers wipe out a Nazgul and his bodyguard so easily. But then they just stood there and took fire from 6 archers units without moving. LOL


P.S. Sorry for your loss PB

[Incontinenta Buttox]

Originally Posted by Vifarc

Turn 49, Isengard and OotMM are at war with each other.

I also have that at turn 35!!

[Jean=A=Luc]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

Guys I will be absent from here, or at least around less, for a bit, my closest friend just died suddenly from a heart attack caused by complications from cancer, so I will be flying out to his funeral, then have some business in the region and around which could see me quite busy for a while.

I did try to upload some updated versions via Megaupload but its not working for me tonight. Anyway I will be in various hotels so will try to upload from there as soon as possible, the changes are small anyway, mostly some potential bugs stopped and Germanicu5's latest BAI code and scripts.

You really shouldn't worry about "uploading" at a time like that. Just take care of your stuff and we'll see ya later.

[alexej]

Originally Posted by Jean=A=Luc

You really shouldn't worry about "uploading" at a time like that. Just take care of your stuff and we'll see ya later.

True, real life first... modding is not so important now.

[Pleiades]

Originally Posted by Jean=A=Luc

You really shouldn't worry about "uploading" at a time like that. Just take care of your stuff and we'll see ya later.

Yeah, no one pushes our friend PB.

Captain, sometimes people want to be engaged in work as soon as possible cause that can help them very much to temporary relax their pain.

Whatever is choice of PB - to engage work or to be absent for as long as necessary - both choices are quite acceptable for me, you and all friendly people here and he has our full support.

[Pietrak]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

You are complaining that Rhun has many light units, that is true but once they get going in mid-game (turn 80+) you will start to see many more clanguard, Kataphract etc. Their recruit priorities are biased towards the heavier units and as soon as they are available, they will be recruited. Variags have a restrictive AOR so are seen less.

I love them for the light units they have, I'm currently at turn 60 of my Rhun campaign. For the first time I employed guirella tactics against the Dwarves - with an army of 3 Variag Raiders, 6 Balchoth, 2 Clan Hunters and a general I can destroy any Dwarven army in the field - no matter what they use. Sometimes I just throw all my javelins/fire all arrows and retreat. Then I repeat it once of twice and the Dwarven armies are dead

[NSFW]

Sorry to hear of your loss PB, I lost my best mate to cancer last year so empathise.

[Tatogod]

Hi there, is any chance to include the Lord of the Ring submod into RR/RC?? it would be so funny to play with 2 mods together and the game would be more interesting i think