Request for Names

[justme]

To all team members and TWC community volunteers


It just recently came to my attention (well, not that recently, but I just remembered recently) that most factions' names lists that come with the vanilla MTW2 version are VERY inappropriate for our mod's time period.

Only the other day was this problem corrected for the Scottish faction thanks to the research of Hamish (our Scottish historian), but the problem still exists for every other faction in the game (eg you'll see saxon names in the english list or arabic names in the turkish list etc).

I checked out the names project but still I have some concerns - I'm still under the impression that some names in the names project aren't really that suitable for the early 16th century...

So, I ask our researchers and/or whoever wants to contribute to this mod to try and compile a list of male/female names and surnames for each of the remaining factions


cheers


PS: many thanks in advance of course

[Icefrisco]

faction: england
characters
Adam
Alfred
Ambrose
Andrew
August
Anthony
Albert
Arthur
Barnaby
Charles
Christopher
Christian
Carl
David
Davy
Edward
Edmund
Francis
Franklin
George
Gregory
Geoffrey
Garret
Harold
Harry
Howard
Henry
Hugh
Hubert
Humphrey
James
John
Jasper
Jacob
John
Laurence
Leonard
Louis
Mark
Michell
Morris
Nicholas
Nigel
Paul
Perkin
Phillip
Robert
Ralph
Roger
Robin
Richard
Simon
Stephen
Samuel
Simon
Thomas
Toby
Walter
William


surnames
Abercrombie
Audley
Adams
Allen
Angell
Arthur
Baker
Barnard
Barnes
Bennett
Bidell
Blacke
Bower
Bridgeman
Browne
Bucknell
Budinge
Buttler
Berkeley
Beaufort
Becket
Burnell
Basset
Bourchier
Canton
Carpenter
Charleson
Chamberlain
Chapman
Clarke
Clinton
Cooke
Cornwall
Cowles
Cracker
Cromwell
Courtnay
Curthose
Dane
Dangerfield
Davis
Dawby
Dawe
Dobes
Dowell
Despenser
de Vere
Edwards
Ellice
Elliotts
Fitzwalter
Fitzneale
Filde
Fitch
Fowler
Franklin
Gilforde
Glassenbury
Griffin
Gaveston
Giffard
Grey
Greystoke
Hastings
Herbert
Holland
Hardine
Harfford
Hammer
Harris
Harrold
Hanes
Heaven
Hewlinge
Heyway
Hicke
Higgines
Hill
Hobbes
Horton
Jenkins
King
Knight
Lambert
Learner
Lewes
Longsword
Langston
Longchamp
Mobray
Mortimer
Maitland
Montfort
Maise
Mantle
Marment
Merrett
Middlemore
Millord
Morgan
Mors
Miles
Neville
Pole
Peckham
Percy
Plantagenet
Paggs
Parsones
Payne
Pegler
Pilson
Potter
Powell
Robins
Rodgers
Russell
Scrope
Stuart
Stanley
Stafford
Stamford
Sandford
Shillam
Smithe
Sparke
Spill
Spinner
Stainey
Staite
Stratford
Stringer
Swanley
Synnigar
Tailor
Terrett
Townshend
Tyler
Tudor
Talbot
Underwood
Vick
Walkley
Warner
Watkins
Webbe
Went
Westfield
Wilkins
Witcomb
Woolman
Wood
Winckworth
Widow
Yew
Howard

if you need more tell me!

[justme]

f you need more tell me!

absolutely send more...

just try to separate the first names from surnames somehow and not put all in a single list Oh... and don't forget the ladies...



EDIT: I just noticed in the list the surname de Beauchamp... AFAIR the Beauchamps had become extinct by the 15th century - this is what I meant that some names aren't appropriate in our timeframe

[Icefrisco]

EDIT: I just noticed in the list the surname de Beauchamp... AFAIR the Beauchamps had become extinct by the 15th century - this is what I meant that some names aren't appropriate in our timeframe

Ooops! I'll fix that.

[Icefrisco]

;;bynames
Not really any that i can find.

women
Agatha
Alisa
Alyssa
Alison
Amanda
Ana
Avelyn
Basil
Beatrice
Bella
Cecilia
Clare
Edyth
Eleanor
Elizabeth
Estrelda
Joanna
Julia
Katherine
Lucia
Liza
Matilda
Malina
Margaret
Maria
Marion
Marjory
Mary
Sabina
Sibel
Tillote
Udeline
Ysabelle

faction: hre

characters
Adolf
Adam
Albrecht
Andreas
Arnold
konrad
Dietrich
Ehrhart
Friedrich
Ferdinand
Franz
Gottfried
Hans
Hannes
Harold
Heinrich
Henry
Herrmann
Joseph
Johann
Johannes
Karl
Leopold
Lorenz
Ludwig
Matthias
Maximilian
Michel
Nikolaus
Otto
Paul
Peter
Philipp
Rainald
Rudolf
Ruprecht
Sigismund
Tancred
Werner
Welf
Wenzel
Wilhelm
Wolfgang
Bernhard
Dieter
Fritz
Gerhard
Gunther
Helmut
Hugo
Jan
Jens
Jonas
Kurt
Lothar
Lukas
Manfred
Markus
Matthias
Philipp
Siegfried
Thorsten
Ulrich
Volkmar

surnames
Becker
Berger
Bresch
Burger
Deines
Dietrich
Engel
Ermolt
Engelson
Goldstein
Goldman
Hummel
Kniess
Konigsberg
Reinbold
Ritter
Roth
Rothman
Rosenberg
Ruppel
Scherer
Weinmuth
Blankenberg
Courcy
Echter
Erlach
Guiskard
Herden
Karolinger
Mandorf
Otterbach
Plittersdorf
Raspe
Ruesdorf
Silverstein
Salier
Stern
Steffen
Uttenheim
Windeck
Wilhelm
Zirn

Bynames

von Balk
von Böhmen
von Dassel
von der Pfalz
von Felben
von Franken
von Gratz
von Habsburg
von Holland
von Holstein
von Jungingen
von Kassel
von Kastilien
von Kniprode
von Luxemburg
von Mainz
von Nassau
von Salza
von Schwaben
von Dresden
von Bremen
von Duisberg
von Sachsen
von Frankfurt
von Hamburg
von Munich
von Numerberg
von Wolfsburg
von Hesse
von Augsburg
von Darmstadt
von Erfurt
von Essen
von Frieberg
von Heidelberg
von Lubeck
von Madgeburg
von Salz
von Brandenburg
von Baden
von Sternberg
von Rosenberg
von Mähren

[Dimitri_Harkov]

@arfrisco: Well, nice list. But there are lots of german names turned to their english forms in it. I don´t know if this was done on purpose, but if not, I could help out.

e.g.: Conrad (engl.) = Konrad (german)
Charles (eng.) = Karl (german)


Also, what to do with the mutated vowels (umlaut) in german (or in turkish, finnish, hungarian ...) names?
In the above list, they are just left out.

e.g.: "von Bohmen" should be "von Böhmen" or at least "von Boehmen".

LG D

[deRougemont]

To all team members and TWC community volunteers


It just recently came to my attention (well, not that recently, but I just remembered recently) that most factions' names lists that come with the vanilla MTW2 version are VERY inappropriate for our mod's time period.

Only the other day was this problem corrected for the Scottish faction thanks to the research of Hamish (our Scottish historian), but the problem still exists for every other faction in the game (eg you'll see saxon names in the english list or arabic names in the turkish list etc).

I checked out the names project but still I have some concerns - I'm still under the impression that some names in the names project aren't really that suitable for the early 16th century...

So, I ask our researchers and/or whoever wants to contribute to this mod to try and compile a list of male/female names and surnames for each of the remaining factions


cheers


PS: many thanks in advance of course

True, many of our the lists start far too early for your mod, with only a smattering of 16C names. Good luck with it, however.

Bezbroda

This is not German. Slavic perhaps, or a yiddish name. But not German. At all.

[Icefrisco]

@arfrisco: Well, nice list. But there are lots of german names turned to their english forms in it. I don´t know if this was done on purpose, but if not, I could help out.

I think it is easier for people if the names are anglicanized.

[deRougemont]

I think it is easier for people if the names are anglicanized.



Interesting. I had doubts about it being German too until i noticed how it sounds similar to "Barbarossa"

"Barbarossa"-Red Beard
"Bezbroda"-Without Beard

They are similar but not alike so i guess it is probably Yiddish.

It is indeed Yiddish. I checked around and found that the name Broda was common amongst German-Jews, specifically in Frankfurt. I doubt however that it is related to Barbarossa (which is Latin).

[Dimitri_Harkov]

I think it is easier for people if the names are anglicanized.

I see. But then the names should be anglicanized consequently. As it is, the list is a mix of german and english versions.

eg: anglicanized version of "Johann" is "John"; "Henry" and "Heinrich" ist the same name, and so on.

BTW: "Barbarossa" is italian (emperor Friedrich earned that name in his italian campaign). And Bezbroda is defenitly not german.

[justme]

Personally, I'd prefer the names to be given in each faction's own language and not to anglicize them a-historically - so Heinrich instead of Henry, Karl instead of Charles, Fernando instead of Ferndinand, etc

[Icefrisco]

I guess anglicanizing names is a bad idea. Everthing would seem so dull. Everyone would have the same name.

It is indeed Yiddish. I checked around and found that the name Broda was common amongst German-Jews, specifically in Frankfurt. I doubt however that it is related to Barbarossa (which is Latin).

Thanks! However, that seems wierd because my family came from the border between the german-prussian and german-polish lands. I am guessing they came from Frankfurt and then moved after some sort of anti-semitic event threatened their lives.

I can not believe I thought Barbarossa was German. I need another slap in the face.

More names:

HRE
women
Agnes
Ayla
Bertha
Bertrada
Berthlenda
Clare
kristina
kristine
Elizabeth
Emeludt
Ethel
Eue
Franka
Gerburg
Gersenda
Gertrude
Grechin
Hedew
Hette
Ingela
Inge
Judda
Katrina
Kordula
Lype
Lyse
Matilda
Meckil
Meinburg
Olga
Rainilda
Siburg
Syele
Trutilda
Willelda
Margaret
Bianca

The only other names I can do accurately are the Spanish ones.

[otark]

I can not believe I thought Barbarossa was German. I need another slap in the face.

After all, being a German, he was the Emperor of the Holy Roman empire. He was bound to have something Italian (even if it's a nickname)


Russian names XVI cent. :faction: russia

characters
Aleksandr
Andrei
Boris
Dmitriy
Fedor
Gavriil
Georgiy
Grigoriy
Ivan
Konstantin
Mikhail
Petr
Semen
Timofey
Vasiliy
Vladimir


surnames
Adashev
Basmanov
Bashkin
Borisov
Buturlin
Chelyadnin-Fedorov
Danilov
Glinskiy
Godunov
Golitsin
Gorbatiy
Katyrev
Khokholkov
Khvorostinin
Kobylin
Kolychev
Kurakin
Kurbskiy
Lykov
Matveev
Morozov
Nagoy
Naryshkin
Novosiltsev
Nashchokin
Obraztsov
Patrikeev
Pleshcheev
Pushkin
Repnin
Romanov
Ryapolovskiy
Saburov
Skuratov
Shein
Sheremetev
Shuyskiy
Sobakin
Troekurov
Tuchko
Yuriev
Yakovlev
Velyaminov
Viskovatiy
Vorontsov
Zakharin

;;bynames

Belozerskiy
Dorogobuzhskiy
Holmskiy
Moskovskiy
Mstislavskiy
Obolenskiy
Odoevskiy
Pronskiy
Pskovskiy
Rostovskiy
Ryapolovskiy
Ryazanskiy
Sitskiy
Shakhovskoy
Starodubskiy
Staritskiy
Suzdalskiy
Telyatevskiy
Tverskoy
Trubetskoy
Vereyskiy
Volynskiy
Vorotynskiy
Vyazemskiy




Agafia
Anastasia
Anna
Elena
Evdokia
Evfimia
Evfrosinia
Evpraksia
Feodora
Feodosia
Feofania
Fevronia
Gliceria
Irina
Ksenia
Marfa
Melania
Maria
Natalia
Olga
Pelagia
Praskovia
Sofia
Ulyana
Varvara
Vasilisa
Zoya

[justme]

Russian names XVI cent. :faction: russia

thanks Otark, will integrate them tomorrow into the latest beta

More names:

which faction are these for afrisco???

The only other names I can do accurately are the Spanish ones.

yes please...

[Icefrisco]

Those are womens names for the HRE.

Spanish


faction: spain
characters
Adan
Alejandro
Agosto
Alfonso
Aluar
Andreas
Arias
Diago
Diego
Domingo
Enrique
Felipe
Fernan
Ferran
Ferrando
Fernando
Ferrand
Francisco
García
Gregorio
Gomes
Goncalvo
Goncalu
Hernan
Joan
Jaime
Juan
Jacome
Lope
Lopo
Martin
Manuel
Miguel
Nicollas
Pasqual
Pedro
Ramiro
Ramón
Rodrigo
Ruy
Salvador
Simon
Vaasco
Val
Alfredo
Americo
Antonio
Augusto
Bernardo
Carlos
Cristobal
Emilio
Esteban
Horacio
Jocabo
Jesus
Jose
Luis
Pablo
Raul
Ricardo
Sancho
Sebastian

I will do more later

[justme]

russian names added - thanks goes to otark

Dristvaan will forward the fix to the team members

@afrisco: can you please re-germanize (if there's such a word ) the HRE names list? Also, I noticed in your spanish names list some distinctly portuguese-form names (eg Afonso, Esteuao, Goncalu), a couple of (prolly) non-era-appropriate names (eg Mallobo) and even an Italian name (Alessandro, instead of Alejandro) - can you please re-check the list?

NOTE: it is a known fact that portuguese, italian and even french mercs/explorers/whatever entered the service of the spanish crown during this era. In order not to mix things up and to keep it as historical as possible, I propose that we hispanize (if there's such a word ) their first names (eg not Cristoforo but Cristobal (Colombus), not Charles but Carlos (de Lannoy)) and keep the foreign surnames [Columbus may actually be an exception, since he himself signed as Colon during his lifetime]

[Icefrisco]

Sorry, i was rushing to finish it. I will edit out those mistakes right now.

Update: Germans have been Germanized and Spainsh Hispanicized.

Note: Some names should not be fully German to reflect that the HRE consisted of Bohemia,Moravia,Netherlands,ect.

[Dimitri_Harkov]

Note: Some names should not be fully German to reflect that the HRE consisted of Bohemia,Moravia,Netherlands,ect.

Well, that depends on the outcome of the discussion in the "Das Heilige Römische Reich"-Thread.

If the HRE will be represented by a single faction (hopefully not...), than bohemian, dutch... names should of course be added.

I don´t want to be pedantic, but as it seems that the factions will now get names in their own language, what about mutated vowels (umlauts)? German, turkish, ... names will look quite weird if they are just left out. (For those who don´t know what I am talking about: "mutated vowels" are the letters ä,ö,ü).


I will help gladly in revising any german name list.

[deRougemont]

Some names should not be fully German to reflect that the HRE consisted of Bohemia,Moravia,Netherlands,ect.

If the HRE will be represented by a single faction (hopefully not...), than bohemian, dutch... names should of course be added.

Be careful doing this. It would be better to leave out foreign names for the HRE than to risk having German family members (especially emporers and princes) appear with slavic or other foreign names. There are lots of limitations as to how realistic you can make a character names list for M2TW. Sometimes the more realistic you try to make it, the more silly it becomes. Some things just can't be fixed. Set your standards/guidelines for creating character names before doing unnecessary work, or work that will have to be corrected down the road...

[Icefrisco]

Be careful doing this. It would be better to leave out foreign names for the HRE than to risk having German family members (especially emporers and princes) appear with slavic or other foreign names. There are lots of limitations as to how realistic you can make a character names list for M2TW. Sometimes the more realistic you try to make it, the more silly it becomes. Some things just can't be fixed. Set your standards/guidelines for creating character names before doing unnecessary work, or work that will have to be corrected down the road...

Thanks for the advice!

Dmitri if you can help with the mutated vowels then please do so!