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    To be the dog, you got to play the dog That being said, for example, how does Putin feel on climate change? It's a global epidemic, yet nay sayers say no simply because they don't want to pay for the treatment and cure of climate change. Trump and his cronies being the latest GOP cheap heads that say global warming is a hoax, because they don't feel like paying for it's treatment!! So what is Putin's stance on the global environmental disaster known as climate change?
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    Russia is just a gas station with a grotesquely oversized military structure on its roof.

    Inside the gas station one can find a tiny group of people stealing anything that isn't bolted down and taking the loot overseas and a large not-quite-sober population who, on the male side, enjoy the recent decriminalization of domestic violence. When that merry crowd manages of get out of the bottle that is. And of course catch the wives (though on many occasions they don't need to find the way out of their bottles to do that 'cause their wives and the rest of their families live inside as well).

    Under such happy circumstances the only way Putin can [barely] keep things on the high side of the brink (and those overseas bank accounts stuffed) is to pump as much fossil fuel as possible out of Mother Russia's ground. So what do you recon his stance on global warming would be?
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    Climate change doesn't involve any reason related to human activity. Saying that nations can do something to change the climate of the planet it's just a international trick to slow down the economy and the growth of emerging countries. Putin is too wise and too smart to be involved in this .

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    Sarcasm aside, it is one of the hot topics in the world today. Since we already know his position on gender equality and gays, I thought it'd ask about this. I mean after all, if you want to forge a new destiny, there needs to be people around 100 years from now to see it!! And GOP being the great Satan in America, and their official word on climate change of just being a myth, I thought the only righteous thing to do is support the environment.
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    Putin doesn't care about anything but Russian interests. In that same vein, he believes that him remaining in power is in Russia's best interests, as every megalomaniac would. To rule and be an autocrat requires having a big ego. Putin does not particularly care for the environment, on the contrary, on-going climate change only makes resources which were previously inaccessible, available to his regime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocle View Post
    Climate change doesn't involve any reason related to human activity. Saying that nations can do something to change the climate of the planet it's just a international trick to slow down the economy and the growth of emerging countries. Putin is too wise and too smart to be involved in this .
    Are you serious?
    Who's trick is it then?
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    There are many roads to greatness - not just militarily but economically, humanitarianly, physically, morally and so on. Having a stance on pretty much every god damn thing I would think would only help.

    I don't understand though why he loves Israel. While the wounds were fresh after WW2, the more or less "Zionists" made no mention of the Soviet Union anywhere, almost like they were a neutral country such as Sweden or Spain or had minimal casualties, like Britain. So why 75 years later does he want to reach out to these same people, who muted his country so greedily 5, 10, 20 years after the war? At the very least he can tell Germany that on a "global stage" Russia "got over it" so why can't Israel, oh ye leader of the EU...

    Sound nice?
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    He's pretty much a real life Tywin Lannister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaul View Post
    There are many roads to greatness - not just militarily but economically, humanitarianly, physically, morally and so on. Having a stance on pretty much every god damn thing I would think would only help.

    I don't understand though why he loves Israel. While the wounds were fresh after WW2, the more or less "Zionists" made no mention of the Soviet Union anywhere, almost like they were a neutral country such as Sweden or Spain or had minimal casualties, like Britain. So why 75 years later does he want to reach out to these same people, who muted his country so greedily 5, 10, 20 years after the war? At the very least he can tell Germany that on a "global stage" Russia "got over it" so why can't Israel, oh ye leader of the EU...

    Sound nice?
    Israel and Russia are similar souls. Both are pragmatists and realists of the highest order. Israel understands Russia's interests in the Middle East and their handsome profits through arms exports. Moreover, Israel sees value in Russia acting as a mediator between the Arab world and Israel. Russia wields significant clout in the Middle East on the power of arms exports alone. Sure, China can provide Tanks and Aircraft, but those are expensive items. The really important things are missiles. Air defense and anti-tank armament is a Russian specialty and has a proven track record. Israel knows that they are the only advanced arms manufacturer that is more than happy to collaborate with Russia on key projects that Russians have absolutely no expertise in.

    Russia also does not particularly care about Israel's strategic interests. They do not necessarily interfere with theirs and there is significant room to maneuver when it comes to foreign policy. Israel's main concern is to ensure that they are the most powerful faction in the Middle East, Russia's goal is to turn the entire area against U.S. Something that's been largely succeeded, and what better way to make sure it stays that way than to have a powerful US backed Jewish nation pose a threat to various Arab regimes? Both Netanyahu and Putin stand to gain significantly from the current arrangement. Netanyahu gets to justify his hardline right-wing stance against Arabs, Palestinians, and so on, and Putin gets Arab cash for selling deadly toys in the theatre. It's a win-win for both sides and both of them understand it, which serves as a bedrock for mutual relations in military development.

    Russia has the option of courting Turkey instead, but there is a significant difference here. Turkey is a member of NATO, and Turkey and Russia have a direct conflict of interests when it comes to the Caucasus and the Black Sea.

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    Just because we the west were at cold war with a country for 45 years, doesn't mean we couldn't do the simple and genuine thing of pointing respect to their 28 million casualties during WW2. For the past year of two (here in the US, were the hitler articles are a 4 to 5 times daily thing on the internet) I see one article maybe once a week about the SU's involvement and such in WW2. If the memory of the jewish mind does not go behind they themselves, it's pretty damn obvious they only work for themselves, and if they drift out so someone may believe other, it's definitely for a greedy reason.

    That's why I thought better if Russia worked with Germany. Hey, the germans could use the support diplomatically, and if anyone would take the focus off the holocaust, it would be well perceived. Saying "the world should move on" and actually believing internally the world should move on are two different issues, but can it be muttered for the sake of improved ties with Europe?

    And lastly I always wondered why Russia and Ukraine don't have a China and North Korea bond. China and NK suffered royally under the Japanese, so I would wonder why Ukraine and Russia don't have a similar "WW2 bond" between themselves. Common History is pretty powerful stuff.
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    Last time I've checked Russia was the pariah among the democratic countries while Germany's standing was fine. So what kind of diplomatic support could Russia provide to Germany?!

    As for Putin's alleged love for Israel, he manages to hide it pretty well if we're to judge by Russia's stance on the Palestinian issue and by Russia's sale of sophisticated weapon systems to all the enemies of Israel.

    On topic: now that we seem to have sorted out Putin's stance on global warming (he stands to profit more ways than one from accelerating it), is there any other "global emergency" you might be interested in?
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    But here's another one (if you're honest). So how does Putin view the one sided relationship the USA has with Israel as compared to the Arab territories? You know the US is supposed to be a middle man in the middle east, calling everything fairly as it happens. Not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaul View Post
    So how does Putin view the one sided relationship the USA has with Israel as compared to the Arab territories? You know the US is supposed to be a middle man in the middle east, calling everything fairly as it happens. Not so much.
    1) Putin is quite likely happy with the support Israel gets from the US because that support helps Russia sell weapons to the Arabs;
    2) US is the middleman in the Middle East in spite of openly supporting Israel. Without the US restraining them the Israelis would have probably sent Egypt and Syria into the Middle Ages in retaliation for the 1973 war. Likewise without the US diplomatic pressure South Lebanon would still be under Israeli control. In hindsight pressuring Israel to relinquish control over South Lebanon simply helped Hezbollah to take that territory over. The civilized world would have been better served by the US not acting like the middlemen on that occasion.
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    Putin said recently that climate change doubters, sic "may not be at all silly."

    Russia and the U.S. Could Be Partners in Climate Change Inaction


    A new alignment between Russia and a friendlier United States under Trump could slow climate action even more. Trump denies global warming more nakedly than Russian President Vladimir Putin, who pivoted from years of downplaying climate change to calling it a grave threat in 2015, but has done little to rein in greenhouse gas emissions. Russia's sluggishness on climate could bolster the Trump team's plans to abandon climate action, and vice versa

    ...Russian climate policy specialists think U.S. rejection of climate action would deal a blow to the emerging pro-climate voices in Russia. "Russia looks to the U.S. and China's plans on climate change," Davydova said in a phone interview. "China might be getting more climate-oriented but if the U.S. pulls out of Paris, it's a huge argument to Russia to go even more slowly."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dromikaites View Post
    1) Putin is quite likely happy with the support Israel gets from the US because that support helps Russia sell weapons to the Arabs;
    2) US is the middleman in the Middle East in spite of openly supporting Israel. Without the US restraining them the Israelis would have probably sent Egypt and Syria into the Middle Ages in retaliation for the 1973 war. Likewise without the US diplomatic pressure South Lebanon would still be under Israeli control. In hindsight pressuring Israel to relinquish control over South Lebanon simply helped Hezbollah to take that territory over. The civilized world would have been better served by the US not acting like the middlemen on that occasion.

    I don't believe that so much. I mean, selling weapons to the Arabs is competing with America and it's support for Israel, but it's almost like Putin loves Israel so much he still wants to help them regardless of Israel being such a close US ally. And once again, no one contributed more to the muting of Soviet WW2 history more than the Israelis and American Jews. So why 75 years later does Putin still want to hand shake Israel? I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaul View Post
    what is Putin's stance on the global environmental disaster known as climate change?
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    The Marrakesh Climate Negotiations – a Mirror of a Divided World and ...

    It is important to mention that the Eastern European countries who signed the EU Association Agreement are partly 'motivated' by the EU climate targets. Ukraine, for instance, declared a 40% decrease of GHG emissions in its NDC by 2030, arguing that the EU has set a similar target, while in fact Ukraine had almost reached a 60% decrease in 2012. At the same time, countries that are economically and energy dependant on the Russian Federation tend to have rather low climate targets.

    The position of the Russian Federation during COP22 was one of the most pro-active on green washing and at the same time counter progressive on real solutions. Clean coal, safe nuclear and hydrocarbon-based future has been declared as 'a special climate way of Russia’s development' by Alexander Bedritsky, the Head of the Russian delegation in Marrakech. Russia defined its mid-term energy priorities as increasing gas production, boosting energy efficiency in the coal and production industries, as well as the use of nuclear energy as a way of combating climate change. At the same time, there are some encouraging signs of a positive shift towards renewable energy development in this region.

    Despite the limited progress on moving forward with the Paris agreement, the Marrakesh moment would be remembered for the signal it sent to the world that a growing bottom-up movement has been already building up in support of the global transition that could unite the world again and be a catalyst for change.
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    Russia is the fourth or third largest gas emitter, 6 Graphs Explain the World's Top 10 Emitters | World Resources Institute
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludicus View Post
    Russia is the fourth or third largest gas emitter, 6 Graphs Explain the World's Top 10 Emitters | World Resources Institute
    In the graphs you posted Russia is only at the fifth place among the top gas emitters, not the third. Actually Russia is (obviously) preceded by China, USA, EU and India.



    I think it's time to buy new glasses, comrade Ludicus!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diocle View Post
    In the graphs you posted Russia is only at the fifth place among the top gas emitters, not the third. Actually Russia is (obviously) preceded by China, USA, EU and India.



    I think it's time to buy new glasses, comrade Ludicus!
    Then their share is still disproportionate... India has magnitudes greater population than Russia, and are either even more technologically backward, or have a parity at best. Russia should be way lower on that list.

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    My dad works for Russian government, the increase of the temperature is a huge issue for Russia because there are millions of tons of gas trapped beneath the frozen wasteland in the middle of the country, they invest A LOT of money into issue because if thy don't every one will die, they don't make it public so people don't panic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VM_Mort View Post
    My dad works for Russian government, the increase of the temperature is a huge issue for Russia because there are millions of tons of gas trapped beneath the frozen wasteland in the middle of the country, they invest A LOT of money into issue because if thy don't every one will die, they don't make it public so people don't panic.
    It's already public and Russian scientists have been talking about the methane problem at length, so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. And from what I've read, the worry isn't about people dying, but methane's impact on global warming. Methane gas contributes significantly more than CO2 to the greenhouse effect. Like I said before though, this merely means more accessible resources to Russia, and maybe a nicer Spring in Kamchatka.

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