FACTION: The Mongol Empire

[Miraj]

Yeah probably all Mongol stats will be increased. Definitely for inf stats and probably things like more quivers and higher morale for all of their HA units too.

[The Mongol]

Yeeeeaaaaahh, no. We had though about it but mesh editing mounts is still quite buggy and difficult. Perhaps when some issues are sorted out we may consider new models for mounts. But for now, sucks to say, we can't.

Understandable, it would be great to see them in the future but as long as the Mongols get a bit of a buff I'll be happy.

[Shadowcry]

Do the Mongols get AOR or can they build all their units anywhere?

[Miraj]

I dont think there will be an AOR for mongols. Since they are unplayable, can't justify all the work.

[Boztorgai_Khan]

Mirage41, is by Mongols, Timurids and Kypchaks ( Kazakh Soldiers ) ??

There was More ( Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Uyghur, Tatar )

[Babur]

hey I was just wondering if this would be a good suggestion for a coat for Mongol soldiers:


I saw this at the opening of an Islamic Art exhibition in an Ismaili center by their leader HH Aga Khan

[Shadowcry]

Will the Mongols be programmed to attack Baghdad?

Will their diplomacy also be fixed too? As in vanilla the Mongols were one of the hardest nations to ally or secure non-backstabbing deals with.

As well will the Mongols be able to recruit levies from cities as the other nations could?

[SaberHRE]

Hey!

Wow, I must say the amount of research and work you guys put into your mod is pretty amazing.

If I can add my two cents.

About infantry auxiliaries. Koreans and Chinese served in verrry small proportions. I would even dare to claim no Korean served in Ogedei campaigns in the West.

The Chinese however contributed largely. Yet I believe their major contribution was in officer corps, engineering and heavy cavalry, I doubt Chinese infantry would have served in Mongol armies(Mongol policy of rapid rebel crushing could not allow effective infantry service).

The Mongols themselves had almost no infantry, but mongol warriors fought dismounted if they had to. The only infantry was composed of old folk, very young children, sometimes even women, and therefore infantry was treated with lot of arrogance, and it's only role was to guard homes.

And please implement 'peasant' units or the infamous hashar(drafted slave-troops)

Further more, I think there should be larger mysticism behind the "Mongol Warrior". The typical horse archer was not ONLY a horse archer, he was a universal soldier. He fought mounted in sieges(yes, several sieges in Russia, Khwarezm), forests(Early Siberian campaign of submission), while crossing rivers(Mohi), and in the mountains(Georgian reconnaissance campaign).

So the role of typical 'horde' horse archer should fall on turko-mongol ally/auxiliaries.

It would be cool to implement the Imperial Guards, and maybe even divide them into their historical groups, Day Guard, and Night Guard.

[The Mongol]

I've read the complete opposite, that the Chinese were used as Infantry.

Maybe I'm thinking of the Koreans...

[Eranshahr]

I really like this mod, but aren't you making the Mongols a bit too strong? I mean if you are playing as Khwarezm or Abbasids it is like

" I know I can play until the mongols arrive and then i'll be defeated"

but I still like this mod a lot, and it is a very good job your team mebers have done. I thank you all in advance.

[Miraj]

How do you know we've made the mongols too strong? We have yet to make a single post about any changes to the mongols.

[Fatong]

later when you guys are reforming the mongols, and if you guys feel like including chinese units, then i would suggest ones like janissary infantry, chinese armies are consisted of spears, pikes and those kind of stuff, and then there is curved swords

[Eranshahr]

well you have said they will be given more traits, and that they would attack in more stacks, you have even said that those playing as Khwarezm should take provinces in India to survive.

So after what I have understood, they will be much more powerful than anybody else when they invade.

[Miraj]

well you have said they will be given more traits, and that they would attack in more stacks, you have even said that those playing as Khwarezm should take provinces in India to survive.

So after what I have understood, they will be much more powerful than anybody else when they invade.

Nah. I've decided to make them strong enough to steam roll the Khwarezm when its under AI control. But you can still beat them. Relive the sieges of Bukhara and Urgench, only this time beat them back street by street. For the Shah!

[Mike13531]

what about the chinese units? , is it a possibility that it will be included in the future versions? like BC 1.1 patch?

[Miraj]

Nope. If you mean future future (as in months or years from now), then yeah anything can happen in the future. If you mean near future, nope.

[AlphaDelta]

The Kara Khitai units are about as close as we get to China.

Cheers

[SaberHRE]

I've read the complete opposite, that the Chinese were used as Infantry.

Maybe I'm thinking of the Koreans...

That's wierd. But are you talking about Western Campaigns?

The thing about Chinese infantry at the time is that, both the Sung and the Jurjen did not employ professional fulltime infantry. The Jurjen being of nomadic descent mixed old tribal duties with conscription. So every Chinese was suppose to serve at the so called "Wall duty". Thanks to this the 'Chinese' were often able to field huge armies.

[The Mongol]

Hmmm, I may be thinking of Eastern Campaigns, I'm getting rusty on my Mongol history already...

[Eranshahr]

haha I will become the Shah of Eranshahr ( Khwarezmian empire) and I will defeat all uncivilized barbarians near my border. Eranshahr has never been defeated and what ever those eastern mud eaters are doing they will fall under the mighty shah!

Baraye Iran, Baraye zendegi, BARAYE AZADI!

just a little preview to what I will do with the Mongols when they arrive
I have never lost against the Mongols in on MTW2, my last loss was on MTW when i played as the turks, I swore to never lose again, And with russia, I Defeated them before they had left Bulgar Province.

my tactic- Buld as many forst as possible til they come. around the place they come from.